Domov » Bryce Harrington » Resources » PasteBin » Board Meeting - December 2, 2016
  1. Dec 02 12:00:42 <Tavmjong> ================ Board Meeting ==================
  2. Dec 02 12:01:08 <Tavmjong> Who's here?
  3. Dec 02 12:01:20 <rindolf> Tavmjong: i am
  4. Dec 02 12:02:04 <Tavmjong> rindolf: So I won't be alone!
  5. Dec 02 12:02:15 <prkos> oy!
  6. Dec 02 12:02:40 <Tavmjong> Hey tweenk!
  7. Dec 02 12:02:48 <tweenk> Hello
  8. Dec 02 12:03:20 <bryce> heya all
  9. Dec 02 12:03:37 <Tavmjong> tedg, ScislaC ?
  10. Dec 02 12:04:03 <bryce> lots of topics on the agenda, let's dive in
  11. Dec 02 12:04:10 <tedg> o/
  12. Dec 02 12:04:18 <ScislaC> Hello
  13. Dec 02 12:04:21 <bryce> ============ Merchandise Sales ==============
  14. Dec 02 12:04:44 <bryce> Great work to all involved in getting the spreadshirt site set up, I know it's not been easy.
  15. Dec 02 12:05:08 <bryce> We've had a chance to order a few items and review them
  16. Dec 02 12:05:12 <Tavmjong> Do you have a link?
  17. Dec 02 12:05:21 <bryce> one sec
  18. Dec 02 12:05:36 <rindolf> tweenk: hi
  19. Dec 02 12:05:58 <prkos> https://shop.spreadshirt.com/inkscape-shop/
  20. Dec 02 12:06:03 <bryce> thanks prkos
  21. Dec 02 12:06:40 <bryce> one of the nice things about spreadshirt is there's no minimum inventory - items are printed on demand
  22. Dec 02 12:07:16 <bryce> a downside is the result kind of appears to be an article with a sticker ironed onto it
  23. Dec 02 12:07:23 <bryce> (which I suppose is basically what it is)
  24. Dec 02 12:07:55 <bryce> so there's been some concerns that the perceived quality might not be up to what we would want to be presenting as a project
  25. Dec 02 12:08:31 <ScislaC> Especially at those prices...
  26. Dec 02 12:08:42 <bryce> anyway, I think we're at a point where some board direction would be useful to know where we should go with this from here
  27. Dec 02 12:09:02 <Tavmjong> Why would someone want the Inkscape logo on their derriere?
  28. Dec 02 12:09:26 <tedg> Tavmjong: The question is: "Why wouldn't you?" ;-)
  29. Dec 02 12:10:00 <tedg> For me, I don't love spreadshirt, but I'm not sure of better options.
  30. Dec 02 12:10:13 <Tavmjong> If it's low quality and as it's expensive I'm not 100% happy with it.
  31. Dec 02 12:10:23 <tedg> bryce: Do you know doctormo's thoughts?
  32. Dec 02 12:10:29 <tedg> He doesn't seem to be here.
  33. Dec 02 12:10:52 <prkos> I've done a little bit of research on that
  34. Dec 02 12:11:03 <bryce> tedg, that's a good question; he did post a fair bit to the list, so we know basically what he's thinking
  35. Dec 02 12:11:22 <prkos> Spreadshirt seems to have great reviews compared to other similar services
  36. Dec 02 12:11:34 <prkos> it's actually on the lower price end for similar articles
  37. Dec 02 12:11:48 <prkos> reliable, good shipping, customer support etc
  38. Dec 02 12:12:17 <prkos> the only downside is their main shop community isn't as large as some other companies
  39. Dec 02 12:12:31 <tedg> I think the other thing we could look at is the services that do "Kickstarter style" shirt orders. Where you get a bunch of people to order, and then it gets printed.
  40. Dec 02 12:12:33 <bryce> my wife has done shirts for her teacher's union and confirmed that it's difficult to get quality shirts without pre-purchasing large lots of inventory.
  41. Dec 02 12:12:44 <prkos> but it seems we won't be using their community as target audience anyway so it doesn't matter
  42. Dec 02 12:12:48 <tedg> I don't really like that for things like the logo shirts, but could work for contests.
  43. Dec 02 12:12:59 <Tavmjong> Is it US only?
  44. Dec 02 12:13:09 <prkos> no worldwide
  45. Dec 02 12:13:14 <prkos> they're a German company
  46. Dec 02 12:13:15 <bryce> tedg, you ordered a t-shirt right? What was the fabric quality?
  47. Dec 02 12:13:43 <prkos> I have a feeling that print quality might depend a lot of the drawing, and possibly the article
  48. Dec 02 12:14:13 <prkos> they have more than one printing method available, but they decide I guess for each combination
  49. Dec 02 12:14:22 <tedg> bryce: The fabric was nice, it was American Apparel
  50. Dec 02 12:14:24 <bryce> prkos, oh interesting
  51. Dec 02 12:14:41 <tedg> Huh, so perhaps we made bad choices :-)
  52. Dec 02 12:14:42 <prkos> I think we might find some winning combinations of drawing/article that would be high quality
  53. Dec 02 12:14:48 <bryce> tedg, if you'd seen it in a store, think you'd have bought it?
  54. Dec 02 12:14:51 <prkos> but it takes some experimenting
  55. Dec 02 12:14:53 <Tavmjong> Language options are English/French with UPS or USPS shipping. Maybe I'm getting a US site.
  56. Dec 02 12:15:16 <prkos> consensus is that we shouldn't have a huge number of articles in the shop anyway
  57. Dec 02 12:15:31 <bryce> prkos, probably not
  58. Dec 02 12:15:42 <tedg> bryce: Really on the edge, the shirt is nice but the printing is sticker like. I'd be drawn to the Inkscape logo though :-)
  59. Dec 02 12:15:47 <prkos> we should strategically select the ones that would benefit users the most
  60. Dec 02 12:16:00 <bryce> certainly I'm thinking we need to order at least one sample ourselves before adding a new kind of article to the store, just for QA
  61. Dec 02 12:16:19 <tedg> I think first round we should just have a ladies and unisex t-shirt I think.
  62. Dec 02 12:16:30 <prkos> I'd love to see photos of those shirts! so far I've only seen the mug and the cap
  63. Dec 02 12:16:41 <jabiertxof> inkscape logo is shaded or flat?
  64. Dec 02 12:17:01 <bryce> jabiertxof, I believe we have a mix. Mine was flat iirc
  65. Dec 02 12:17:19 <prkos> we have both flat and 3d ATM
  66. Dec 02 12:17:28 * tedg doesn't have a picture handy
  67. Dec 02 12:17:36 <prkos> but 3D is digital print I expect the worst there, though we haven't tried it
  68. Dec 02 12:17:40 <tweenk> When it comes to quality, can't say anything about Spreadshirt, but I used Uberprints for a one-off and it was very good. However, they don't set up a storefront and handle fulfillment for you
  69. Dec 02 12:17:45 <prkos> I don't think anyone ordered it yet
  70. Dec 02 12:18:06 <tedg> Yeah, I think my shirt and hat were flat.
  71. Dec 02 12:18:33 <tedg> The quality of the printing look-wise was good. But it feels like a plastic blob instead of ink on fabric.
  72. Dec 02 12:18:46 <tweenk> I can order a bunch of these items and send some feedback
  73. Dec 02 12:19:11 <Tavmjong> So their is a French website but it doesn't appear that you can order the Inkscape stuff from it.
  74. Dec 02 12:19:16 <Tavmjong> s/thier/there/
  75. Dec 02 12:19:17 <tweenk> Uberprints apparently has a DTG printer and it doesn't feel like a sticker at all
  76. Dec 02 12:19:33 <prkos> please don't order until we sort out the articles and drawings
  77. Dec 02 12:19:43 <prkos> currently it's a bit all over the place
  78. Dec 02 12:19:46 <bryce> what's a DTG printer?
  79. Dec 02 12:19:54 <tweenk> prkos: OK, just tell me when they're ready then
  80. Dec 02 12:19:57 <prkos> it was just to test and learn
  81. Dec 02 12:19:59 <tweenk> bryce: it's a different tech
  82. Dec 02 12:20:19 <prkos> I expect we'll have it ready within 10 days
  83. Dec 02 12:20:39 <prkos> I need to bring up some branding discussions on the list first
  84. Dec 02 12:20:51 <tweenk> most of the on-demand sites use something like iron-on foil cutouts
  85. Dec 02 12:21:06 <bryce> yeah
  86. Dec 02 12:21:33 <bryce> on-demand has a lot of benefits to us; otherwise we're likely to endure a bit of an administrative chore that's probably not going to be worth the $$
  87. Dec 02 12:21:34 <prkos> but the main logo and tagline drawing versions won't change, we only need to decide on which articles to include in the store
  88. Dec 02 12:21:39 <tweenk> if you order a larger batch, they use screen printing
  89. Dec 02 12:21:54 <tweenk> but Uberprints apparently has a direct-to-garment (DTG) inkjet
  90. Dec 02 12:22:38 <tweenk> I ordered a t-shirt from them and it looks like the design was directly printed onto the fabric, it's completely soft and does not feel like a foil cutout or a screen print at all
  91. Dec 02 12:22:48 <prkos> https://help.spreadshirt.com/hc/en-us/articles/207487605
  92. Dec 02 12:23:18 <bryce> prkos, ahh
  93. Dec 02 12:24:33 <tweenk> anyway, I just wanted to make sure that people are aware that such technology exists, it's just that the Spreadshirt style companies don't seem to use it for some reason
  94. Dec 02 12:24:49 <tweenk> Maybe it's just too expensive for now
  95. Dec 02 12:24:54 <tweenk> (to buy the printer)
  96. Dec 02 12:25:04 <bryce> tweenk, thanks worth keeping as an option at least
  97. Dec 02 12:25:34 <tweenk> bryce: it would be best if we could find a Spreadshirt style fulfillment company that has a DTG inkjet, that would be the best of both worlds...
  98. Dec 02 12:25:46 <bryce> tweenk, *nod*
  99. Dec 02 12:26:49 <bryce> brief google turns up tons and tons of custom t-shirt printers
  100. Dec 02 12:26:56 <Tavmjong> I do like the "Inkscape Shop Freely" logo!
  101. Dec 02 12:27:11 <prkos> http://www.nwcustomapparel.com/apparel-printing
  102. Dec 02 12:27:50 <prkos> Tavmjong: that was Martin's work I think
  103. Dec 02 12:27:50 <bryce> well, how about if for the time being we proceed with spreadshirt but limited to just the two types of shirts tedg proposed, and in parallel do some research into alternatives?
  104. Dec 02 12:28:14 <Tavmjong> bryce: Sounds good.
  105. Dec 02 12:28:38 <tedg> Yeah, it does look like they do digital printing. Would be interesting to see what happens there.
  106. Dec 02 12:28:46 <tedg> It looks like if you have gradients they push it that way.
  107. Dec 02 12:29:01 <tedg> Perhaps we need to put the 3d design on a shirt and it'll happen automatically.
  108. Dec 02 12:29:03 <bryce> prkos, interesting they do custom embroidered shirts too
  109. Dec 02 12:29:34 <prkos> ooooo embroidered would be perfect for Inkscape :D
  110. Dec 02 12:30:02 <jabiertxof> abrock_ like it!
  111. Dec 02 12:30:21 <bryce> tedg, perhaps we should have the project run an order with the 3D logo? Send it to someone as a gift, and ask for their review :-)
  112. Dec 02 12:31:15 <bryce> would anyone like to take the task of browsing t-shirt sites and build a short-list of alternatives for us to investigate?
  113. Dec 02 12:31:46 <tedg> I'm willing to buy one, I like wearing Inkscape T-shirts, I can have more than one :-)
  114. Dec 02 12:32:09 <prkos> I can do that, I've already done a bit while researching into Spreadshirt
  115. Dec 02 12:32:34 <bryce> prkos, cool thanks
  116. Dec 02 12:32:43 <bryce> tedg, great thanks :-)
  117. Dec 02 12:32:56 <bryce> ok, anything else on merchandise? Moving to next topic otherwise.
  118. Dec 02 12:33:06 <prkos> tedg: I'll make one just for you, you can ping me your preferred article
  119. Dec 02 12:34:52 <rindolf> bye all - I'm going to sleep
  120. Dec 02 12:34:53 <bryce> okay. I'll drop a note to doctormo and Mihaela about our discussion.
  121. Dec 02 12:35:09 <bryce> ================== Sponsorship Levels =================
  122. Dec 02 12:35:28 <bryce> good news, we've been contacted by someone that wants to be a silver-level sponsor for the project. :-)
  123. Dec 02 12:35:51 <Tavmjong> Wow!
  124. Dec 02 12:36:07 <bryce> I'm working with doctormo for sorting out what modifications need done to the website
  125. Dec 02 12:37:08 <bryce> at least so far, their questions have revolved more around logo placement on the website than development direction or whatnot, so I think that might be the only action item we'll be responsible to tend to
  126. Dec 02 12:38:04 <bryce> this makes me feel it would probably be highly in our benefit to display the sponsorship levels that we nailed down somewhere on the website.
  127. Dec 02 12:38:21 <bryce> unfortunately doctormo isn't here, was hoping to chat him up on that a bit.
  128. Dec 02 12:38:29 <Tavmjong> +1 on display levels
  129. Dec 02 12:38:36 <bryce> Anyway, apart from that no action needed by the board right now, just FYI.
  130. Dec 02 12:38:39 <tedg> Tha'ts great.
  131. Dec 02 12:39:15 <bryce> oh, also had an inkling thought that might behoove us to think about more benefits at the upper tiers
  132. Dec 02 12:40:00 <bryce> ok, next topic is Inkscape forum
  133. Dec 02 12:40:01 <tedg> T-shirts! ;-)
  134. Dec 02 12:40:07 <bryce> ==================== Inkscape Forum ====================
  135. Dec 02 12:40:24 <bryce> do we any forum folks?
  136. Dec 02 12:40:29 <prkos> oy
  137. Dec 02 12:40:48 <bryce> :-)
  138. Dec 02 12:41:10 <prkos> I looked into migrating phpBB and I don't expect problems there
  139. Dec 02 12:41:18 <bryce> I've been sick the last several weeks and kind of lost complete track of where we were. Last I recall we were waiting for the database dump from the past owner?
  140. Dec 02 12:41:34 <prkos> at least not with how it's done generally speaking
  141. Dec 02 12:41:42 <bryce> prkos, ok cool
  142. Dec 02 12:42:07 <prkos> the only glitch might be the server not supporting the phpBB version, wrong PHP version or similar
  143. Dec 02 12:42:07 <bryce> I know there were also some questions relating to getting it hosted, but not sure if that's resolved or still open
  144. Dec 02 12:42:24 <prkos> but yet we're waiting still on the db and files
  145. Dec 02 12:42:45 <prkos> *yes
  146. Dec 02 12:43:07 <prkos> AFAIK we have control of the domain?
  147. Dec 02 12:43:16 <bryce> yes we do, that's sorted.
  148. Dec 02 12:43:17 <prkos> inkscapeforum.org
  149. Dec 02 12:43:57 <Tavmjong> doctormon!
  150. Dec 02 12:44:01 <prkos> then it's just a matter of getting the files, and quickly setting it up so we don't lose any forum activity while migrating
  151. Dec 02 12:44:22 <doctormon> Tavmjong: I added 12 noon Pacific time into my calendar, it said 5pm local time. Is this wrong?
  152. Dec 02 12:44:50 <tedg> PST instead of PDT?
  153. Dec 02 12:44:51 <Tavmjong> Yes! There is only a three hour time difference.
  154. Dec 02 12:45:16 <bryce> damn round earth and its roundness :-)
  155. Dec 02 12:45:23 <prkos> lol
  156. Dec 02 12:45:28 <tedg> bryce: You can't prove that!
  157. Dec 02 12:45:29 <doctormon> Ugh, the stupid thing added the hours twice.
  158. Dec 02 12:45:56 <bryce> doctormon, see scrollback feel free to pepper in commentary
  159. Dec 02 12:46:04 <doctormon> I'm formally objecting to board meeting being posted in Pacific time without an ical file to back it up.
  160. Dec 02 12:46:05 <tedg> prkos: Cool, is there anything we can do to get the files? Or is it just waiting really?
  161. Dec 02 12:46:17 <prkos> not sure
  162. Dec 02 12:46:22 <doctormon> This is not the first time I've been caught with my pants down because of the timezone.
  163. Dec 02 12:46:26 <prkos> there was talk about security
  164. Dec 02 12:46:26 <Tavmjong> doctormon: doctormon time is listed on the Board meeting page just for you!
  165. Dec 02 12:46:27 <bryce> doctormon, careful, that way leads to getting volunteered ;-)
  166. Dec 02 12:46:43 <prkos> PGP keys and transferring the db and files securely
  167. Dec 02 12:47:05 <bryce> prkos, right, due to user password hashes and email addresses
  168. Dec 02 12:47:06 <tedg> Heh, okay. Public forum data, right?
  169. Dec 02 12:47:15 <doctormon> bryce: There's no scroll back, I'm going to have to wait for the logs.
  170. Dec 02 12:47:16 <prkos> yes
  171. Dec 02 12:47:22 <bryce> doctormon, ah ok
  172. Dec 02 12:47:42 <prkos> brynn offered her hosting account for the transfer but I guess we're stuck there
  173. Dec 02 12:48:04 <prkos> not sure if we really need all this security around this, and if we do which method to use
  174. Dec 02 12:48:12 <doctormon> We're talking about the forum right
  175. Dec 02 12:48:18 <prkos> yes forum
  176. Dec 02 12:48:44 <prkos> getting the files of the existing forum to install on our own server
  177. Dec 02 12:49:13 <prkos> bryce: the chosen server is of the OSC right?
  178. Dec 02 12:49:31 <bryce> tedg, brynn has been pinging the owner about it, but I sense the pgp bit might be adding some uncertainty - if you were to jump into the discussion perhaps you could help clear whatever brush is preventing forward progress?
  179. Dec 02 12:49:48 <bryce> prkos, do you mean OSUOSL?
  180. Dec 02 12:49:59 <prkos> yes lol
  181. Dec 02 12:50:13 <bryce> yes, plan A would be to host there, and while I think we're waiting on some info I don't think we've hit any actual blockers yet
  182. Dec 02 12:50:36 <bryce> last month we talked about thinking about possible plan B/C options just in case as a backup
  183. Dec 02 12:50:50 <prkos> sure I can jump in and bother Courtney, I think mostly we're waiting for his replies, he's not quick to reply
  184. Dec 02 12:51:10 <bryce> there's a bunch of options out there for FOSS projects, at varying levels of service and accessibility and beefiness
  185. Dec 02 12:51:21 <bryce> prkos, cool that would be a big help
  186. Dec 02 12:51:21 <prkos> Courtney is the founder of inkscapeforum.org FYI
  187. Dec 02 12:51:26 <bryce> right
  188. Dec 02 12:51:37 <su_v> inkscapeforum.com
  189. Dec 02 12:51:42 <su_v> (not .org)
  190. Dec 02 12:52:01 <abrock_> here's a backlog starting at the board meeting: http://paste.debian.net/900240/ (expires tomorrow)
  191. Dec 02 12:52:03 <prkos> yes .com sorry mixing it up with main web
  192. Dec 02 12:52:17 <tedg> Do we know approximately how big the data file is?
  193. Dec 02 12:52:46 <bryce> I did a quick look at worst case if we had to go with a professional hosting service and do all our own services and so on, what the cost would look like.
  194. Dec 02 12:52:47 <prkos> unzipped less than 500 MB database
  195. Dec 02 12:52:55 <prkos> ~300 MB maybe
  196. Dec 02 12:53:10 <prkos> IIRC
  197. Dec 02 12:53:12 <bryce> I only looked at gandi (our DNS provider); they seem not too bad but obviously are not the only game in town
  198. Dec 02 12:53:13 <tedg> Ah, cool, that shouldn't be bad.
  199. Dec 02 12:53:26 <bryce> * Desired system resources are dialable at will, with cost
  200. Dec 02 12:53:26 <bryce> proportionate to the amount of service desired.
  201. Dec 02 12:53:26 <bryce> - Baseline $12.01/month: 1 CPU core, 256MB ram, 3 GB disk
  202. Dec 02 12:53:26 <bryce> - Beefy $96.94/month: 4 CPU core, 4GB ram, 500 GB disk
  203. Dec 02 12:53:26 <bryce> - So, could scale up around release time or for marketing efforts,
  204. Dec 02 12:53:26 <bryce> and scale back down for interim periods.
  205. Dec 02 12:53:26 <bryce> - Can also automate resource add/remove, e.g. based on load
  206. Dec 02 12:53:26 <bryce> measurements.
  207. Dec 02 12:53:26 <bryce> * Web accelerator (HTTPS cache) +$6/mo
  208. Dec 02 12:53:26 <bryce> * Bandwidth 0-2TB free, approx $0.13/GB over that.
  209. Dec 02 12:53:26 <bryce> * OS options include Debian 7/8, FreeBSD, Ubuntu 14.04/16.04
  210. Dec 02 12:54:44 <bryce> so the value of hosting service to us probably runs in the ballpark of $50-100 monthly
  211. Dec 02 12:54:48 <tedg> Yeah, I imagine we'll end up somewhere around $20/mo
  212. Dec 02 12:55:05 <tedg> Oh you think more than baseline?
  213. Dec 02 12:55:10 <prkos> shouldn't a vanilla Hostgator account be enough
  214. Dec 02 12:55:38 <bryce> I don't know what our monthly bandwidth requirements are, so am bumping upward to be conservative
  215. Dec 02 12:55:58 <bryce> if we know we use <2TB then $20 might be a better estimate
  216. Dec 02 12:56:01 <doctormon> thanks abrock_
  217. Dec 02 12:56:22 <prkos> we don't seem to have a lot of users on at the same time, so I'm extrapolating that bandwidth won't be a problem
  218. Dec 02 12:56:31 <prkos> but I do like the conservative approach
  219. Dec 02 12:57:35 <jabiertxof> OVH has great prices you can have full server from some child company kimsufi very low price
  220. Dec 02 12:58:03 <jabiertxof> OVH Master Kimsufy is part
  221. Dec 02 12:59:15 <bryce> Interesting. we already donate $250/yr to OSUOSL so if DIY hosting was an option we wanted to pursue and it ran $20/month then it would not actually impose a cost delta to the project.
  222. Dec 02 12:59:38 <bryce> anyway, by far most of the pain of DIY hosting would be the person-power to set up and administrate the services
  223. Dec 02 13:00:11 <Mc> is it possible to co-rent with other open source projects ? (gimp?)
  224. Dec 02 13:00:23 <Mc> would allow for lower costs and maintenance
  225. Dec 02 13:00:44 <bryce> Mc, certainly like I mentioned there's tons of existing shared services targeted to FOSS projects
  226. Dec 02 13:01:09 <bryce> OSUOSL being one such, but there's many more
  227. Dec 02 13:01:49 <bryce> typically you don't get root access so are gated by them for gaining new services, and service requests may be slowish
  228. Dec 02 13:02:23 <doctormon2> one of the nice bonuses we managed to get for inkscape.org
  229. Dec 02 13:02:54 <prkos> bryce: do you have the server info ready and all set up or is there any config to be done there besides phpBB
  230. Dec 02 13:03:18 <doctormon2> I'm expecting most of them to move to container based systems in the future, so ssh access at all might go away.
  231. Dec 02 13:03:34 <prkos> :-(
  232. Dec 02 13:04:17 <bryce> prkos, the last that I heard was on the vague side, like doctormo says something relating to containers
  233. Dec 02 13:04:44 <bryce> (which is part of what stimulated the thinking towards fallback options)
  234. Dec 02 13:05:37 <bryce> alright, we're at the hour, let me sneak in one last topic
  235. Dec 02 13:06:03 <prkos> tedg: what's your experience with this, in case we need some server support
  236. Dec 02 13:06:08 <bryce> I can stick around post-meeting to discuss release stuff
  237. Dec 02 13:06:29 <bryce> ============== LGM 2017 =================
  238. Dec 02 13:06:39 <tweenk> Regarding hosting, there's also the cloud services
  239. Dec 02 13:06:42 <tedg> Well containers would be fine, we just need to know what the landscape is like.
  240. Dec 02 13:07:01 <bryce> tedg brought up that LGM scheduling is under way, and we should start talking of our own attendance plans
  241. Dec 02 13:07:23 <doctormon2> tweenk! 😀
  242. Dec 02 13:07:23 <bryce> sounds like its in Brazil this year
  243. Dec 02 13:07:25 <tedg> tweenk: Yeah, if we're gonna pay, it seems like a cloud provider might make sense.
  244. Dec 02 13:07:40 <tedg> Yeah, and we have a rather large community in Brazil.
  245. Dec 02 13:07:49 <tedg> I'm on the mailing list, though I can't read any of it. :-)
  246. Dec 02 13:07:56 <tedg> It flares up every once in a while.
  247. Dec 02 13:07:58 <tweenk> n1-standard-1 on GCE costs around $25/month and has 3.75GB of RAM, has full root access
  248. Dec 02 13:08:24 <tweenk> storage is billed per GB and can grow to arbitrary size - that's another plus
  249. Dec 02 13:08:48 <bryce> do we have contacts within the Brazilian Inkscape community that we could tap to handle organization/logistics/etc.?
  250. Dec 02 13:09:06 <tedg> I don't personally, but I could write an e-mail and see what happens :-)
  251. Dec 02 13:09:33 <tweenk> for downloads there's Google CDN, looks like the traffic cost from downloads would actually be most expensive
  252. Dec 02 13:09:38 <doctormon2> the issue with bz was lack of people there. last word I heard was in the negative for our attendance.
  253. Dec 02 13:09:43 <tedg> It seems that for community stuff we might want to push towards LGM and do a dinner?
  254. Dec 02 13:09:44 <tweenk> doctormon2, how much traffic do we generate from downloads?
  255. Dec 02 13:09:57 <bryce> (fwiw the gandi numbers I posted above were VPS services, and also scalable up far past what I listed there)
  256. Dec 02 13:10:06 <Mc> About LGM, want it question to replace it with a hackfest at boston ?
  257. Dec 02 13:10:18 <Tavmjong> We need to decide early as airfares will go up. Right now it's about $700 from Paris.
  258. Dec 02 13:10:29 <Tavmjong> (and 12 hours)
  259. Dec 02 13:10:36 <tedg> Well, I think the hackfest is an interesting question. Probably more expensive flights, but cheaper location.
  260. Dec 02 13:10:48 <tedg> But if people are going to be there anyway.
  261. Dec 02 13:10:51 <Tavmjong> We need a local host.
  262. Dec 02 13:11:05 <doctormon2> tweenk: TB per month, cached by fastly. it would cost us thousands a month if we were paying.
  263. Dec 02 13:11:57 <tedg> Tavmjong: I think that's a good point, not sure we want someone random for that.
  264. Dec 02 13:12:48 <doctormon2> the UK trip worked BC of local hosting.
  265. Dec 02 13:14:08 <bryce> the last LGM I attended was interesting but didn't seem particularly useful for helping further Inkscape, compared to what we'd get from a hackfest
  266. Dec 02 13:14:09 <doctormon2> what's the date of lgm 2017?
  267. Dec 02 13:14:14 <tweenk> doctormon2: but how many TB per month? 1?
  268. Dec 02 13:14:39 <bryce> I would be open to the idea of sponsoring local Brazilians to attend on Inkscape's behalf though.
  269. Dec 02 13:14:40 <tedg> Was looking for a confirmation, this is the best e-mail I found: https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libre-graphics-meeting/2016-September/001479.html
  270. Dec 02 13:14:48 <tedg> End of April, in Rio
  271. Dec 02 13:15:17 <doctormon2> tweenk: on phone, doing childcare run, please email and I'll get you the fastly report.
  272. Dec 02 13:15:20 <Tavmjong> Dates are April 20-23.
  273. Dec 02 13:15:51 <Tavmjong> Note, Americans need a visa to Brazil. I believe it is $100.
  274. Dec 02 13:16:02 <bryce> like if we budgeted $1-2k for LGM sponsorees and then saved the rest to splurge on a development-focused hackfest
  275. Dec 02 13:16:03 <tedg> LGM is the weekend, we could do a hackfest Mon-Wed
  276. Dec 02 13:17:03 <tedg> So I'm good either way, but I figured we should talk about it :-)
  277. Dec 02 13:17:32 <tedg> Not having a good local contact makes me a bit nervous for doing a hackfest in Brazil.
  278. Dec 02 13:17:39 <Tavmjong> Make that $160 for the visa.
  279. Dec 02 13:17:39 <bryce> agreed
  280. Dec 02 13:17:55 <Tavmjong> http://novayork.itamaraty.gov.br/en-us/visa_fees.xml
  281. Dec 02 13:18:13 <tedg> Perhaps we should make sure someone from the board and have a user dinner or something like that.
  282. Dec 02 13:18:22 <bryce> btw I'm still willing to host a hackfest in portland, just looks like we need 2+ months lead for scheduling.
  283. Dec 02 13:18:29 <tedg> I'd like to encourage the community there, but I'm not sure it makes sense to have a bunch of devs.
  284. Dec 02 13:18:37 <doctormon2> I've not heard anything that convinces me we should do anything in bz. We'd need to know bz people to sponsor, translators perhaps.
  285. Dec 02 13:18:40 <bryce> tedg, that sounds sensible
  286. Dec 02 13:19:18 <bryce> but right, the big question here, is do we have adequate folks in bz
  287. Dec 02 13:19:21 <ScislaC> Felipe Sanches is in Brazil, I believe in Sao Paulo... but I know he travels all over Brazil for open source stuff and might know a Rio local...
  288. Dec 02 13:19:31 <bryce> tedg, perhaps you could beat the bush and see what interest there is?
  289. Dec 02 13:19:37 <tedg> Okay, I'll find the Brazilian user's list and see what comes of it, suggesting something like that.
  290. Dec 02 13:19:50 <doctormon2> good idea
  291. Dec 02 13:20:34 <bryce> tedg, and I think sending any active developer would be fine, not just limit to the board. E.g. jabiertxof would probably be an awesome rep
  292. Dec 02 13:21:01 <tedg> bryce: Sure, makes sense.
  293. Dec 02 13:21:14 <tedg> Didn't have another easy to use noun :-)
  294. Dec 02 13:21:19 <bryce> ok, any thing else? we got action items... I'll post the log in a while.
  295. Dec 02 13:21:40 <bryce> ============ Other Business =============
  296. Dec 02 13:22:13 <prkos> meshes
  297. Dec 02 13:23:14 <doctormon2> none here. I think Bryce covered the release.
  298. Dec 02 13:23:20 <bryce> prkos, we can have a release meeting next, after the board meeting is closed, and that'll be #1 on that agenda
  299. Dec 02 13:23:26 <bryce> ok thanks all
  300. Dec 02 13:23:31 <bryce> ================= EOM ================
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