I've run into an issue using a big size page, 50x100 meters (50.000x100.000mm). 1. I can create the page. 2. I can duplicate and move an object from top left corner to the far away top right corner. 3. I can scroll page to see the copied object. 4. But once I'll zoom in INKscape crashes, every time... See attached video.
Is there a solution to this, or does anyone know what's going wrong?
Unfortunately we'll need mm as the outcome. Since 2017 we've been working on a new line of products. I recently found out INKscape would be an excellent choice to use for some parts in this eco system of functionality.
I'm sure we will drive a lot of users to INKscape and I'm also happy to contribute to the future INKscape development.
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Furthermore things tend to be better if page size is smaller, but it still crashes.
Attached is the crash report. Unfortunately I don't have the skills to make any use of it... :)
In Linux, Inkscape cannot zoom far enough to see the entire page without the UI acting flaky. This may be causing a crash in MacOS. (zooming to 1% or similar)
Let me add to the mystery. I'm on a mac too and I have no problem creating a huge page like that. The only UI issue is that the zoom level can't go below 1% so I can only display a small portion of the page. Other than that I haven't noticed any problems zooming and editing shapes. Inkscape seems to handle all those extra digits seamlessly.
I also experimented with [Document Properties] [Display] [Scale: 1000]. AFAIU this moves the decimal point in display coordinates three places right from the internal SVG coordinates. I didn't notice any differences in my system but, if large numbers are somehow the problem, this might improve your stability.
I'm curious. Why do you need such a large page? Is a scaled solution possible?
First create a perfectly stable drawing 1000mm x 500mm. I know this is 1% of your required size, but stay with me. Draw your shapes at 1% scale. Draw every meter as a centimeter. Save the drawing "small_scale.svg".
Now create a big unstable drawing 100000 x 50000mm. [File > Import > "small_scale.svg"] and choose [Link the svg file]. With the select toolbar set [X: 0.0] and [Y: 0.0] then [W: 100000] and [H: 50000]. The small image will be stretched to fill the entire large page. Save as "large_scale.svg".
Go back to the small scale drawing window. Any edits saved from here are immediately reproduced in the linked image inside the large scale drawing.
There is a more hacky way, to modify the units.xml in the ui folder. I would test before deploying, since all users would need the mod. A method with stock Inkscape configuration would be best.
I will install Inkscape on my old MBP13 and see if I can make it work.
Not "coy", more like the urge to present something when complete and working. We are soon there. I really hope we can make Inkscape part of the entire eco system of functionality.
I'm happy you're intrigued since the very few people who've seen went from intrigued to fascinated. :)
If the issue can be solved there's a huge step forward for everyone's concern, I can promise you that.
Beyond the Basics MacOS: Crash on zooming big page
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Hi!
Newbie on INKscape, nice experience!
I've run into an issue using a big size page, 50x100 meters (50.000x100.000mm).
1. I can create the page.
2. I can duplicate and move an object from top left corner to the far away top right corner.
3. I can scroll page to see the copied object.
4. But once I'll zoom in INKscape crashes, every time... See attached video.
Is there a solution to this, or does anyone know what's going wrong?
The option to use cm as document units may help. There may also be a core file to customize units to get meters.
Or, maybe work in scale?
Unfortunately we'll need mm as the outcome.
Since 2017 we've been working on a new line of products. I recently found out INKscape would be an excellent choice to use for some parts in this eco system of functionality.
I'm sure we will drive a lot of users to INKscape and I'm also happy to contribute to the future INKscape development.
---
Furthermore things tend to be better if page size is smaller, but it still crashes.
Attached is the crash report. Unfortunately I don't have the skills to make any use of it... :)
OK, I've edited the title of the topic so the Mac gurus can chime in.
I'll add some comments after I muck about with a test file.
In Linux, Inkscape cannot zoom far enough to see the entire page without the UI acting flaky. This may be causing a crash in MacOS. (zooming to 1% or similar)
Since you are having crashes, you can file a bug report: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/-/issues
Let me add to the mystery. I'm on a mac too and I have no problem creating a huge page like that. The only UI issue is that the zoom level can't go below 1% so I can only display a small portion of the page. Other than that I haven't noticed any problems zooming and editing shapes. Inkscape seems to handle all those extra digits seamlessly.
I also experimented with [Document Properties] [Display] [Scale: 1000]. AFAIU this moves the decimal point in display coordinates three places right from the internal SVG coordinates. I didn't notice any differences in my system but, if large numbers are somehow the problem, this might improve your stability.
I'm curious. Why do you need such a large page? Is a scaled solution possible?
"Is a scaled solution possible?"
No, I'm stuck to mm on a big layout.
Issue only occurs if I view the very right part of a big layout including the right page border, then the crash occurs when zooming.
Here's a hacky workaround.
First create a perfectly stable drawing 1000mm x 500mm. I know this is 1% of your required size, but stay with me. Draw your shapes at 1% scale. Draw every meter as a centimeter. Save the drawing "small_scale.svg".
Now create a big unstable drawing 100000 x 50000mm. [File > Import > "small_scale.svg"] and choose [Link the svg file]. With the select toolbar set [X: 0.0] and [Y: 0.0] then [W: 100000] and [H: 50000]. The small image will be stretched to fill the entire large page. Save as "large_scale.svg".
Go back to the small scale drawing window. Any edits saved from here are immediately reproduced in the linked image inside the large scale drawing.
Thx, indeed a very creative way of hacking the issue. :)
I see only 2 issues for our concern:
1. Scaling from 1% to 100% will loose accuracy since a svg file is sort of approximate.
2. We need to teach 1.000s of users this behaviour since collaboration is part of the process.
Is this a Mac only issue? Does it work in Windows and Linux?
There is a more hacky way, to modify the units.xml in the ui folder. I would test before deploying, since all users would need the mod. A method with stock Inkscape configuration would be best.
Thx.
Is this a Mac only issue? Does it work on Windows and Linux?
On Linux, it does not crash, but display gets black lateral bars at close zoom. The other issue is the screen cannot zoom to see the entire page.
With a modified units.xml, it all works fine.
I haven't been able to reproduce your big image crash on my 2012 macbook pro, so maybe it's not an issue on intel macs.
But I really am intrigued. What are you planning? Why so coy?
I will install Inkscape on my old MBP13 and see if I can make it work.
Not "coy", more like the urge to present something when complete and working. We are soon there. I really hope we can make Inkscape part of the entire eco system of functionality.
I'm happy you're intrigued since the very few people who've seen went from intrigued to fascinated. :)
If the issue can be solved there's a huge step forward for everyone's concern, I can promise you that.
Issue is solved in 1.3. Thx dev team! :)