Home » Bryce Harrington » Resources » PasteBin » Board Meeting - November 3, 2017
  1. Nov 03 09:13:05 <crogers> board meeting in 45mins?
  2. Nov 03 09:22:18 <Mc> crogers_: yes
  3. Nov 03 09:29:32 <crogers_> Mc, thanks. checking against recent dst switch over.
  4. Nov 03 09:36:47 <Mc> crogers_: run the command in the topic :)
  5. Nov 03 10:00:16 <Tavmjong> =========== Board Meeting ===========
  6. Nov 03 10:00:30 <Tavmjong> Who's here?
  7. Nov 03 10:00:44 <Tavmjong> Ted has sent regrets.
  8. Nov 03 10:00:45 <Mc> o/
  9. Nov 03 10:01:01 <cajhne> \o
  10. Nov 03 10:01:18 <Tavmjong> \o/
  11. Nov 03 10:01:33 <cajhne> hehehe
  12. Nov 03 10:01:51 * cajhne feels sorry for the next person. needs three arms.
  13. Nov 03 10:02:14 <cajhne> ack..
  14. Nov 03 10:02:17 <Tavmjong> Agenda: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Board_Meetings
  15. Nov 03 10:02:29 <rindolf> Tavmjong: hi
  16. Nov 03 10:02:31 <Mc> doctormon: bryce: ScislaC: ?
  17. Nov 03 10:02:44 <Tavmjong> rindolf: Hi!
  18. Nov 03 10:03:55 <Tavmjong> Looking at agenda... is there anything to be said about the board election? I think it went smoothly.
  19. Nov 03 10:04:38 <Mc> "how to make attractive to more people to take part in that election"
  20. Nov 03 10:05:34 <Tavmjong> I don't have an answer for that... we have a pretty small group of active developers.
  21. Nov 03 10:05:34 <CRogers> Smoothly? It barely happened. lol
  22. Nov 03 10:06:22 <CRogers> I have a feeling now that we have the Vectors team, we can make more noise at least.
  23. Nov 03 10:06:24 <bryce> morning
  24. Nov 03 10:06:30 <Mc> evening ^^
  25. Nov 03 10:06:33 <CRogers> hey bryce. :)
  26. Nov 03 10:06:46 <bryce> hey all
  27. Nov 03 10:07:13 <bryce> Ted took an action last meeting to review our procedure doc and suggest improvements, but guess we'll wait on that until he's around. No hurry on that anyway.
  28. Nov 03 10:07:40 <Tavmjong> Move on to infrastructure?
  29. Nov 03 10:07:55 <bryce> === Infrastructure ===
  30. Nov 03 10:08:13 <bryce> so we got the request out, and I saw there's been some efforts to spread the word on social media
  31. Nov 03 10:08:36 <bryce> we've gotten two negative responses so far
  32. Nov 03 10:08:41 <bryce> it'
  33. Nov 03 10:09:19 <bryce> it might be worth following up on the others, or spreading the word a bit further. Not sure on next steps though.
  34. Nov 03 10:09:26 <rindolf> bryce: ah
  35. Nov 03 10:10:04 <Tavmjong> How directed is the social media effort?
  36. Nov 03 10:10:15 <Tavmjong> Are the right people likely to see it?
  37. Nov 03 10:10:45 <bryce> Tavmjong, it seems a bit light and just broadcasted generally, so yeah more could probably be done
  38. Nov 03 10:11:51 <bryce> Conservancy has an ongoing arrangement with Rackspace for its projects, which sounded like was being canceled around when we initially drafted and posted this request,
  39. Nov 03 10:12:12 <bryce> however more recently it sounds like they've worked out a new arrangement with them to continue hosting of conservancy projects
  40. Nov 03 10:12:40 <Tavmjong> I thnk I read that they are not accepting new projects.
  41. Nov 03 10:12:42 <bryce> unfortunately, that is only going to apply to conservancy projects that had been hosted by rackspace under the arrangement already, so no new projects. :-(
  42. Nov 03 10:13:42 <bryce> anyway, nothing else to report on this. Open to entertaining ideas though, shoot me a line if you got one. :-)
  43. Nov 03 10:14:24 <bryce> btw, related to conservancy, I saw just this morning that there's a weird legal action going on
  44. Nov 03 10:14:29 <bryce> https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2017/nov/03/sflc-legal-action/
  45. Nov 03 10:14:50 <Mc> yeah, saw that too
  46. Nov 03 10:14:55 <bryce> SFLC is engaging in legal action to get SFC's name canceled
  47. Nov 03 10:15:30 <bryce> no idea what that's all about.
  48. Nov 03 10:16:39 <bryce> ok moving on
  49. Nov 03 10:16:40 <Mc> apprently "name is confusing and people keep calling us to know how to give to sfc"
  50. Nov 03 10:16:50 <bryce> hah
  51. Nov 03 10:17:04 <bryce> so, infighting over donors? I could see that...
  52. Nov 03 10:17:22 <bryce> === Sponsor acceptance policy ===
  53. Nov 03 10:17:50 <bryce> we've been discussing this the past couple meetings
  54. Nov 03 10:18:54 <bryce> basically, last time we got a sponsor there was some confusion/uncertainty on what we should expect of sponsors, and unfortunately some mixed messaging resulted, so we were thinking of establishing sort of a checklist that'd be easy to follow.
  55. Nov 03 10:19:18 <bryce> I believe the next action is to start assembling such a checklist, so we need an owner for that task
  56. Nov 03 10:21:05 <Mc> I don't have a loot of time in the near future unfortunately :/
  57. Nov 03 10:21:27 <Mc> should be better from early january
  58. Nov 03 10:21:58 <bryce> CRogers, would you be able to take a first crack? I know you weren't involved in sponsorship arrangement stuff previously but a first cut is going to be largely just common sense. We can hone it in debate later
  59. Nov 03 10:22:03 <CRogers> Is there a log available for the discussion so far?
  60. Nov 03 10:22:22 <bryce> CRogers, yes there is, you can get the meeting logs for the past 2-3 meetings on the board page in wiki
  61. Nov 03 10:22:30 <CRogers> Sure, I'll help, if you email me the relevant information.
  62. Nov 03 10:22:32 <Moini> http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Board_Meetings#Transcripts
  63. Nov 03 10:22:41 <CRogers> Cool. Yes, I'll own that.
  64. Nov 03 10:23:06 <bryce> great
  65. Nov 03 10:23:29 <bryce> you might look at the board mailing list archives for the summer, but I don't recall if we discussed it at all there
  66. Nov 03 10:23:30 <CRogers> I'm not time rich, but everything on the to do list is for Inkscape, so I'll just reshuffle that to the top.
  67. Nov 03 10:23:50 <bryce> great
  68. Nov 03 10:24:34 <bryce> yeah, my Inkscape time too has been really cramped, and the next couple months are going to be busy at work and home
  69. Nov 03 10:24:52 <bryce> I don't think any tasks on our plate right now are urgent, fortunately
  70. Nov 03 10:25:04 <CRogers> Okay, I'll make a list of people who were participating in the previous talks and then try and get everyone together to look over plans.
  71. Nov 03 10:25:17 <bryce> CRogers, excellent, thanks
  72. Nov 03 10:25:25 <bryce> == Preliminary preparations for 0.93 ==
  73. Nov 03 10:25:49 <bryce> Tav, thanks for tackling the action item to build us a short list of focal points for getting the gtk work complete
  74. Nov 03 10:26:02 <Tavmjong> No Problem
  75. Nov 03 10:26:09 <Tavmjong> http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/GTK%2B_3_issues
  76. Nov 03 10:26:52 <bryce> Tavmjong, it looked like that sparked some discussions and attention on the problems?
  77. Nov 03 10:27:23 <Tavmjong> looking for email...
  78. Nov 03 10:27:56 <Tavmjong> I've fixed one bug. Not much other action I can see.
  79. Nov 03 10:28:17 <bryce> offhand, the Filter Editor rewrite sounds like the biggest project there?
  80. Nov 03 10:28:48 <Tavmjong> Probably, but I recall that lots of progress was made at the hackfest. Martin?
  81. Nov 03 10:28:55 <Mc> doctormon also mentioned that there may be a way to work it with with something new
  82. Nov 03 10:29:06 <Mc> I have to look at the chan logs
  83. Nov 03 10:29:09 <doctormon> Hi all
  84. Nov 03 10:29:15 <CRogers> hey doctormon
  85. Nov 03 10:29:32 <bryce> the wayland crash I gather is due to us calling some X-specific feature. If something equivalent needs created for wayland there might be some interesting work to do there, otherwise perhaps we could look at just working around it for now?
  86. Nov 03 10:30:10 <bryce> the other problems with icons sound tractable I'm guessing
  87. Nov 03 10:30:29 <Tavmjong> bryce: No. It probably was that X11 is more immune to bad input.
  88. Nov 03 10:30:40 <bryce> Tavmjong, ah
  89. Nov 03 10:30:40 <Mc> 15:12 < doctormon> Mc: https://github.com/grindhold/libgtkflow
  90. Nov 03 10:30:45 <CRogers> colour pallette is still hidden. I see someone has made it bigger at least. :)
  91. Nov 03 10:31:31 <bryce> Tavmjong, if it's a garbage in problem, then perhaps that is a compositor-specific thing rather than wayland protocol. Did the issue arise via gnome's wayland support, via fedora?
  92. Nov 03 10:31:40 <Tavmjong> I would avoid using libgtkflow for the moment. I think it would be a real time sink to get it working.
  93. Nov 03 10:32:04 <Tavmjong> bryce: Yes. It worked on X11 in Fedora but crashed in Wayland.
  94. Nov 03 10:32:24 <bryce> Tavmjong, gotcha
  95. Nov 03 10:32:44 <bryce> so it could be a tricky problem but is most likely localized to just that platform
  96. Nov 03 10:33:04 <Mc> iirc there is also a big problem of performance of gtk3 on windows
  97. Nov 03 10:33:23 <Mc> ah, it's already on the wiki page
  98. Nov 03 10:33:50 <bryce> Mc, that's right
  99. Nov 03 10:34:08 <Tavmjong> In any case, I've fixed what was triggering it... an SVG with % width and height and no viewBox.
  100. Nov 03 10:34:12 <doctormon> Tavmjong: likely tablet support xinput work
  101. Nov 03 10:34:37 <Tavmjong> doctormon: ?
  102. Nov 03 10:34:54 <doctormon> Tavmjong: Wayland support, my guess is that tablet support will have to die.
  103. Nov 03 10:35:30 <Tavmjong> doctormon: My Wacom tablet works with Wayland.
  104. Nov 03 10:35:36 <CRogers> That's a bit unfotunate, since it's Ubuntu's default as of 17.10
  105. Nov 03 10:36:06 <doctormon> Mc: Libgflow is a really interesting gtk widget. I managed to get it building for Gtk3.18, we'd have to hold our own build of it though. Could be used in a python tool that allows users to make filters 'headless' (i.e. without knowing how they're going to look) but could also intergrate it too.
  106. Nov 03 10:36:22 <doctormon> Tavmjong: really?wow.
  107. Nov 03 10:36:23 <bryce> I figure it makes sense to not get rolling on a 0.93 release with these issues open. does it seem like there is adequate developer attention on these issues? Or do we need to try and recruit some more help to get them addressed?
  108. Nov 03 10:36:46 <Tavmjong> I think we need help.
  109. Nov 03 10:36:54 <doctormon> bryce: I'd say no. Not enough attention on these issues.
  110. Nov 03 10:37:44 <Mc> the perf problem is tracked in https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=781153 but the gnome folk seem to have no solution for now
  111. Nov 03 10:38:13 <Mc> for the filter editor we need anyone with A Lot Of Time
  112. Nov 03 10:38:52 <Mc> for wayland vs x11, I have no idea
  113. Nov 03 10:39:00 <doctormon> Mc: Want to talk after the meeting about a design I have?
  114. Nov 03 10:39:14 <Mc> sure
  115. Nov 03 10:40:14 <Tavmjong> The design we had at the hackfest I thought was quite good.
  116. Nov 03 10:40:14 <Mc> and for hidpi scaling, I'm not sure who we need (I did not look into the issue as i cant reproduce it)
  117. Nov 03 10:41:27 <Mc> Maybe it's just a question of calling all gtk stuff correctly with the right parameters, maybe it's a bigger problem
  118. Nov 03 10:41:44 <bryce> ok, first step probably is to look at who we have for active volunteer developers, that have been committing code lately and might be tappable and encourage them to grab projects off the list.
  119. Nov 03 10:42:33 <bryce> we now also have in our toolbelt the option of trying out using funding to stimulate work on some items - particularly items no volunteers can be found for
  120. Nov 03 10:42:36 <Mc> Do we have gtk gurus in inkscape ?
  121. Nov 03 10:42:38 <Mc> alex maybe ?
  122. Nov 03 10:42:54 <doctormon> Mc: I'm a Gtk padiwan, maybe not enough.
  123. Nov 03 10:43:07 <bryce> Mc, gtk3? I think there's scads of us that know gtk2
  124. Nov 03 10:43:08 <Tavmjong> Alex would be the best choice but he doesn't seem to have time.
  125. Nov 03 10:43:20 <Mc> yes, gtk3
  126. Nov 03 10:43:24 <Reptorian> did I miss the meeting?
  127. Nov 03 10:43:38 <Mc> just the first 43 minutes
  128. Nov 03 10:44:16 <Reptorian> what is planned for .93?
  129. Nov 03 10:44:16 <Mc> maybe we can ask gnome if they have devs to look at our problems
  130. Nov 03 10:45:11 <bryce> Reptorian, at this point topic is what remains for gtk3 for 0.93 - http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/GTK%2B_3_issues
  131. Nov 03 10:45:42 <bryce> Reptorian, and in particular we're looking for folks interested in working on the issues, so if that describes you, yay!
  132. Nov 03 10:46:25 <Reptorian> not in the position to be able to fix issues (not a programmer), but I'd really like to try to see if i can help on the performance regression
  133. Nov 03 10:46:29 <bryce> a few other ideas to toss out - if the problems need gtk3 knowledge, perhaps we can find non-gtk3 people and help them get educated (conference attendance, books, classes, ...)
  134. Nov 03 10:46:33 <doctormon> Interesting, I've not been asked to look at any Gtk3 issues (except at the hackfest), are we sure all developers are getting the calls to action?
  135. Nov 03 10:46:44 <Reptorian> oh, and didn't we talk about that eps import issue before?
  136. Nov 03 10:47:12 <bryce> - people who have worked on our gtk code in the past but are currently inactive might be worth pinging, in case they'd have interest
  137. Nov 03 10:47:35 <Mc> general email to devel ml or pinging directly some people ?
  138. Nov 03 10:48:11 <Reptorian> both would be fine
  139. Nov 03 10:48:44 <bryce> mm, a call to action would probably be a good next step. I assumed Tav's email would have served that role but perhaps we need something a bit more kickoff-y?
  140. Nov 03 10:48:56 <CRogers> Someone want to email me the login details for the spreadshirt account, I'll fill it with items based on the stickers everyone seems to like.
  141. Nov 03 10:49:34 <bryce> CRogers, that would be great. I need them as well, as does Tony.
  142. Nov 03 10:49:53 <doctormon> CRogers: That would be me.
  143. Nov 03 10:50:10 <Mc> isnt it in the credentials branch ?
  144. Nov 03 10:50:55 <bryce> Mc, it isn't but you're right it should be
  145. Nov 03 10:51:12 <CRogers> doctormon: cool, would you email me the details? I've been uploading a lot of new products made with inkscape for work, and can probably sneak some of it in with my regular tasks. :)
  146. Nov 03 10:51:25 <bryce> (I need to get the credentials branch moved to git... I'll action item myself to do that...)
  147. Nov 03 10:51:35 <Mc> it is already
  148. Nov 03 10:51:50 <Mc> like all branches :p
  149. Nov 03 10:52:58 <Mc> https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/tree/inkscape.dev_credentials
  150. Nov 03 10:53:03 <doctormon> bryce: Tried to create a credentials in the gpg folder, my vim isn't gpg enabled, no prompting.
  151. Nov 03 10:53:06 <bryce> Mc, ah you're right. I need to check it out, and maybe split it off as a separate repo from inkscape
  152. Nov 03 10:53:08 <CRogers> bryce: I'll order another batch of stickers. Do you want the same size or larger ones this time?
  153. Nov 03 10:53:19 <bryce> CRogers, larger
  154. Nov 03 10:53:28 * CRogers nods.
  155. Nov 03 10:53:46 <Mc> doctormon: you can use gpg outside of vim (I do)
  156. Nov 03 10:54:12 <CRogers> bryce: if you could email me the details of how many you want, and who you wnat them for, and where to send them, etc. that would be cool.
  157. Nov 03 10:54:14 <bryce> CRogers, my wife had a couple ideas, I'll rope her in.
  158. Nov 03 10:54:21 <bryce> CRogers, great, will do.
  159. Nov 03 10:54:37 <CRogers> bryce: cool, include wife's ideas too. :)
  160. Nov 03 10:54:56 <CRogers> or we can discuss it afte rthe meeting.
  161. Nov 03 10:55:27 <bryce> post-meeting works
  162. Nov 03 10:56:34 <bryce> aside: I *just* got an email from a hosting provider (dreamocean) interested in helping us, providing a $500 credit.
  163. Nov 03 10:57:11 <bryce> looks like that reached them via Ryan's outreach effort
  164. Nov 03 10:57:14 <Mc> how much would 1year hosting cost us on the kid of machine we want ?
  165. Nov 03 10:57:43 <Mc> digital ocean ?
  166. Nov 03 10:57:57 <bryce> Mc, I'll need to look at their offerings. if we're not hosting the website itself, the rest of the stuff shouldn't be *too* intensive. It may work
  167. Nov 03 10:58:22 <Mc> what would we be hosting ?
  168. Nov 03 10:58:31 <doctormon> bryce: The EU based offerings without help were very reasonable.
  169. Nov 03 10:59:12 <bryce> doctormon, which was that?
  170. Nov 03 10:59:52 <doctormon> bryce: Not on my radar, there were prices in a previous meeting regarding EU whole machines and they seemed surprisingly cheap.
  171. Nov 03 10:59:55 <bryce> Mc, in order of priority:
  172. Nov 03 10:59:57 <bryce> > + Mailman3
  173. Nov 03 10:59:57 <bryce> > + Mattermost
  174. Nov 03 10:59:57 <bryce> > + Wiki (mediawiki currently)
  175. Nov 03 10:59:57 <bryce> > + Forum (e.g. hosting for inkscapeforum.com)
  176. Nov 03 10:59:57 <bryce> > + Bug tracker (TBD)
  177. Nov 03 10:59:57 <bryce> > + Gitlab
  178. Nov 03 10:59:57 <bryce> > + Other project management tools
  179. Nov 03 10:59:57 <bryce> > + Website / Django
  180. Nov 03 11:00:37 <Mc> mh, ok
  181. Nov 03 11:01:07 <Mc> so it would probably be like 500$/yr
  182. Nov 03 11:01:32 <bryce> Mc, I'm guessing something like that, yeah
  183. Nov 03 11:01:44 <bryce> CRogers, btw do you have the url for the sticker images handy?
  184. Nov 03 11:01:45 * Mc cant find the email asking for specs
  185. Nov 03 11:01:57 <bryce> Mc, I'll forward to you
  186. Nov 03 11:02:01 <CRogers> just the raster sample set.
  187. Nov 03 11:03:03 <bryce> CRogers, yep
  188. Nov 03 11:03:03 <CRogers> bryce: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qzws1g3fp2wnsgf/sticker_samples_all.png?dl=1
  189. Nov 03 11:03:06 <bryce> Mc, forwarded
  190. Nov 03 11:04:07 <bryce> ok, back to the current agenda item - 0.93 development
  191. Nov 03 11:04:52 <Tavmjong> Maybe a direct request on the mailing list would be a first step.
  192. Nov 03 11:05:27 * doctormon Harvard Medical School tech department says thank you to inkscape btw. "Really Useful"
  193. Nov 03 11:05:49 <bryce> Tavmjong, yeah I agree
  194. Nov 03 11:06:01 <Tavmjong> I can do that in the next few days.
  195. Nov 03 11:06:01 <doctormon> Tavmjong: I'd be more direct, ask specific people to look at a specific problem. Investigate, report back (or say they can't do it)
  196. Nov 03 11:06:30 <CRogers> someone should collect these quotes from big companies so we can put them on a testimonial quotes fader or something.
  197. Nov 03 11:06:46 <doctormon> I feel like the catch all broadcast request gets lost with everyone assuming someone else is looking into it.
  198. Nov 03 11:06:55 <doctormon> Or that there are too many options to choose from.
  199. Nov 03 11:07:30 <bryce> Tavmjong, awesome thanks. I'd be happy to assist in writing/planning if you need
  200. Nov 03 11:08:19 <Tavmjong> doctormon: We can do that too... but I really don't have a list of potential targets.
  201. Nov 03 11:09:10 <bryce> that's always been the tough part
  202. Nov 03 11:09:41 <bryce> but doctormon's right that it makes a huge difference having names to attach
  203. Nov 03 11:10:20 <Tavmjong> Maybe also put a request on the GitHub landing page. We seem to be getting quite a few new people contributing now that we've moved to GitHub.
  204. Nov 03 11:10:50 <bryce> Tavmjong, yes that's a good idea
  205. Nov 03 11:11:22 <bryce> Tavmjong, perhaps once the call to action email is out, we can seed pointers to the email from various places like that, where devs might spot it.
  206. Nov 03 11:11:39 <Mc> yeah, I saw a surge of contributors over the last months
  207. Nov 03 11:12:08 <bryce> cool
  208. Nov 03 11:12:22 <bryce> if that's creditable to the git/gitlab migration, then happy to hear it
  209. Nov 03 11:12:48 <Mc> in part
  210. Nov 03 11:13:00 <bryce> ok, just noticed we're past the hour
  211. Nov 03 11:13:24 <bryce> ok, we covered the main issue with merchandise sales
  212. Nov 03 11:13:35 <CRogers> Hehehe
  213. Nov 03 11:13:36 <bryce> I'll work with martin post-meeting on getting the credentials into the credentials repo
  214. Nov 03 11:13:40 <CRogers> Sorry, snuck that in there.
  215. Nov 03 11:13:41 <bryce> === Other Business ===
  216. Nov 03 11:13:53 <bryce> CRogers, s'all good :-)
  217. Nov 03 11:14:11 <Tavmjong> Boston Hackfest status?
  218. Nov 03 11:14:41 * CRogers is looking forward to that.
  219. Nov 03 11:15:53 <doctormon> Tavmjong: Got feedback for you
  220. Nov 03 11:16:18 <doctormon> Tavmjong: The MIT folks are waiting on their new(read, not working) room asigning system to cough up a yes.
  221. Nov 03 11:16:40 <Mc> when ?
  222. Nov 03 11:16:50 <doctormon> But the details have been set and we have a date and location.
  223. Nov 03 11:17:41 <Tavmjong> March 26th - 30th.
  224. Nov 03 11:18:14 <doctormon> 2018
  225. Nov 03 11:19:03 <doctormon> We must: Not have anyone under the age of 18 without a parent, must not consume alcohol there and we will allow some MIT students to be involved.
  226. Nov 03 11:19:29 <doctormon> There's a bunch of other items about WiFi, power, room size etc, but it's all good.
  227. Nov 03 11:19:35 <Tavmjong> What if the student is under 18?
  228. Nov 03 11:19:56 <bryce> Tavmjong, hah
  229. Nov 03 11:20:18 <CRogers> Coffee machine may be an issue. None of the US outlets are ballsy enough to handle a UK kettle lead.
  230. Nov 03 11:20:49 <Mc> well, we'll be at a hacker place in MIT, someone will make it work
  231. Nov 03 11:21:03 <CRogers> I looked it up and it would take a transformer the size of a CRT to get it to work.
  232. Nov 03 11:21:39 <CRogers> Probably safer/easier to just get one that's for the US voltage/amperage
  233. Nov 03 11:22:02 <bryce> CRogers, *cough* microwave *cough*
  234. Nov 03 11:22:53 <CRogers> bryce: hahaha Sure, toss n a coffee pod (which are aluminium), add water, and microwave until the fire department comes. :D
  235. Nov 03 11:23:18 <CRogers> Then ask them for coffee.
  236. Nov 03 11:23:28 <Tavmjong> CRogers: shouldn't be a problem as long as the aluminum doesn't have sharp points.
  237. Nov 03 11:23:57 <bryce> ok folks, any other items? else let's wrap it up.
  238. Nov 03 11:23:58 <CRogers> Tavmjong: hard to avoid, really...
  239. Nov 03 11:24:49 <Tavmjong> Nothing urgent... past dinner time.
  240. Nov 03 11:24:59 <doctormon> Tavmjong: We would say they can come in if they bring a parent.
  241. Nov 03 11:25:00 * CRogers is good.
  242. Nov 03 11:25:32 <doctormon> CRogers: Don't worry about the coffee, I'll get us Dunkens boxed coffee ;-)
  243. Nov 03 11:25:50 <CRogers> doctormon: okay. I'll just bring stickers then.
  244. Nov 03 11:26:05 <bryce> alright thanks all!
  245. Nov 03 11:26:08 <bryce> === EOM ===
  246. Nov 03 11:26:43 <CRogers> soooo, Bryceeee. :)
  247. Nov 03 11:27:00 <CRogers> You had some ideas about stickerz?
  248. Nov 03 11:27:21 <Mc> doctormon: I'll go back home from work, I'm back in 30-45 min
  249. Nov 03 11:27:42 <CRogers> I've been offering a fan of the full set shown in that png to people. Let me see what's left over...
  250. Nov 03 11:27:49 <bryce> CRogers, yep
  251. Nov 03 11:28:15 <bryce> CRogers, my wife reviewed them again, her main advice was what I said - should be larger, like a good size for sticking on laptop lids
  252. Nov 03 11:28:17 <CRogers> Most popular so far were Coffee and Tea.
  253. Nov 03 11:28:26 <CRogers> Agreed.
  254. Nov 03 11:28:34 <CRogers> I will make the next batch larger.
  255. Nov 03 11:28:35 <bryce> CRogers, funny I was just about to say those were her two faves as well, by far
  256. Nov 03 11:29:05 <CRogers> Icecream flies off the shelf too by a close margin.
  257. Nov 03 11:29:10 <bryce> they show the logo well and the tea especially shows depth richness and a good perspective view of the cup
  258. Nov 03 11:29:36 <bryce> that was her #3, she just thought color-wise it was similar to the coffee one, but the logo is very notable there
  259. Nov 03 11:29:38 <CRogers> Cool.
  260. Nov 03 11:30:07 <CRogers> Yea, maybe a slight colour change... though unfortunately, they are similar colour. :)
  261. Nov 03 11:30:10 <bryce> she was wondering if limiting the set would make the print run cheaper? if so just doing 2 might allow a lot more to be done
  262. Nov 03 11:30:32 <CRogers> Well, this first run was kinda to guage what the second run would be.
  263. Nov 03 11:30:39 <bryce> are there color costs involved? the coffee seems fairly monochrome?
  264. Nov 03 11:30:43 <CRogers> so yea, tht's pretty much the plan.
  265. Nov 03 11:30:47 <bryce> cool
  266. Nov 03 11:31:18 <CRogers> No, it's not spot colour print, only composite rgb.
  267. Nov 03 11:31:23 <bryce> ah
  268. Nov 03 11:31:30 <CRogers> so we can have any colour we like.
  269. Nov 03 11:31:40 <bryce> how large of a run are you thinking about?
  270. Nov 03 11:31:42 <CRogers> which is better for gradiends. :)
  271. Nov 03 11:31:54 * CRogers types with elbows
  272. Nov 03 11:31:57 <bryce> let me know when you have cost estimates and I can do a board vote for reimbursement
  273. Nov 03 11:32:14 <CRogers> Cool, will do.
  274. Nov 03 11:32:26 <bryce> (maybe we already did a vote, I don't remember)
  275. Nov 03 11:32:27 <CRogers> Looking for the best price/quality at the moment.
  276. Nov 03 11:32:57 <CRogers> Someone said we had money for it, but the Conservancy wanted to handle it.
  277. Nov 03 11:33:07 <bryce> CRogers, ah
  278. Nov 03 11:33:18 <CRogers> And that's when i stopped paying attention and just did the first run on my own dime. :)
  279. Nov 03 11:33:24 <bryce> ok, well keep me looped in, I can help if there's any stuff needing done on that end
  280. Nov 03 11:33:56 <CRogers> Cool, thanks. I'll let you know what the cost will be.
  281. Nov 03 11:34:17 <CRogers> Do you have a number of how many you and Tony would like?
  282. Nov 03 11:34:41 <bryce> ah here it is, $100 to Conservancy to produce a set of 4 stickers
  283. Nov 03 11:35:04 <bryce> and for logistics Conservancy would hold them and distribute them as we need
  284. Nov 03 11:35:42 <CRogers> Ah, that's more info than I got I think.
  285. Nov 03 11:36:03 <CRogers> I wanted to have them for the hackfest, but delivery took longer than I had hoped.
  286. Nov 03 11:36:04 <bryce> CRogers, good question on how many. I suppose whatever $100 would buy? or if there's a breakpoint somewhere that makes it more cost effective I guess that'd be good to know
  287. Nov 03 11:36:27 <bryce> I suppose we also need to think about plans for getting them distributed. that would give ideas on amounts
  288. Nov 03 11:36:40 <CRogers> bryce: okay, I'll gove you a price spreadsheet after i do more comparison research. How soon do you need more?
  289. Nov 03 11:37:09 <bryce> CRogers, sounds good. No hurry at this point, no deadline or anything on this
  290. Nov 03 11:37:46 <bryce> (although I suppose by the time 0.93 arrives we'll have new gfx, so ultimate deadline would be prior to 0.93 *grin*)
  291. Nov 03 11:38:00 <CRogers> bryce: okay, I'll add it to the list after the spreadshirt stuff, which is after the thing you wanted me to do. :)
  292. Nov 03 11:38:08 <bryce> CRogers, perfect!
  293. Nov 03 11:38:36 <CRogers> Sponsor acceptance policy first.
  294. Nov 03 11:38:57 * CRogers looks at the list of things to do for inkscape
  295. Nov 03 11:39:09 <CRogers> it's like santa's naughty or nice list.
  296. Nov 03 11:39:18 <CRogers> trailing off into the distance. :)
  297. Nov 03 11:39:45 <bryce> hah, yeah I have a similar thing
  298. Nov 03 11:40:07 <CRogers> Well, at least life isn't boring. :)
  299. Nov 03 11:40:09 <bryce> ok, my stomach rumbling reminds me I haven't eaten today, so I'm going to disappear for a while but will check back in later.
  300. Nov 03 11:40:27 <CRogers> cool, good talking. Thanks bryce, everyone. :)
  301. Nov 03 11:41:14 <CRogers> Oh, do we have a majority vote yet on Mc's work?
  302. Nov 03 11:41:21 * CRogers checks email
  303. Nov 03 11:42:48 <CRogers> So yea, 4 of 6, with two still to vote.
  304. Nov 03 11:43:06 <CRogers> Thanks Mc!
  305. Nov 03 11:45:06 <CRogers> Totally deserve it. Especially putting in all the time with your thesis work pending. Hope you're finding time to sleep too!
  306. Nov 03 12:22:34 <doctormon> CRogers: spreadshirt details are in credentials file now
  307. Nov 03 12:25:08 <bryce> CRogers, yeah the vote is confirmed now but I like to allow extra time for everyone to cast votes or share any opinions before I close things up
  308. Nov 03 12:26:37 <CRogers> bryce: Yea, sure, just mentioning in case the other two show up for the meeting and haven't checked email. :)
  309. Nov 03 12:28:57 <bryce> ah good
  310. Nov 03 12:37:48 <Mc> CRogers: sleeping ? lolnope
  311. Nov 03 12:39:28 <CRogers> Mc: ?
  312. Nov 03 12:39:35 <CRogers> Oh!
  313. Nov 03 12:39:41 <CRogers> Yea, I'll bet not.
  314. Nov 03 12:40:04 <CRogers> Hahaha. Well use some of the money to relax. :)
  315. Nov 03 12:40:33 <CRogers> Ya'know, when you have... time to relax again. :)
  316. Nov 03 12:40:48 <Mc> not before january ^^
  317. Nov 03 12:40:58 <CRogers> Oh yea, you did say that. :)
  318. Nov 03 12:41:09 <CRogers> Then use it to buy coffee. ^^
  319. Nov 03 12:41:12 <Lazur> oh just missed the meeting :/
  320. Nov 03 12:41:48 <CRogers> Lazur: only by a few hours. :)
  321. Nov 03 12:42:44 <CRogers> Love your filter work on G+ by the way.
  322. Nov 03 12:43:36 <Lazur> http://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/1591885/original?width=398&version=1591885
  323. Nov 03 12:43:40 <Lazur> thank you
  324. Nov 03 12:43:56 <CRogers> Hehehe
  325. Nov 03 12:44:20 <CRogers> Let me guess, that video was made with Inkscape fileter.
  326. Nov 03 12:44:26 <CRogers> *filters
  327. Nov 03 12:45:40 <Lazur> the gif?
  328. Nov 03 12:45:43 <Lazur> not really
  329. Nov 03 12:45:49 <CRogers> j/k
  330. Nov 03 12:46:41 <CRogers> I know, but hey, with the work you'vebeen putting out, it's making everyone question the limits of what can be done with vectors.
  331. Nov 03 12:47:15 <Lazur> https://openclipart.org/detail/275230/glitch-pack
  332. Nov 03 12:47:41 <Lazur> got hit some performance limits
  333. Nov 03 12:48:09 <Lazur> mostly with the background image filter input
  334. Nov 03 12:48:18 <CRogers> neat!
  335. Nov 03 12:48:40 <Lazur> https://orig00.deviantart.net/3cff/f/2017/291/4/3/sledgehammer_by_lazururh-dbr125q.png
  336. Nov 03 12:48:42 <CRogers> So now things that afflict mostly raster formats, can be replicated using vectors. :D
  337. Nov 03 12:49:24 <CRogers> Cool. Wow, lotta tecture.
  338. Nov 03 12:49:28 <Lazur> see how much openclipart could render from it at 100 zoom level with 0.91
  339. Nov 03 12:49:30 <Lazur> https://openclipart.org/detail/288821/sledgehammer-2
  340. Nov 03 12:49:31 <CRogers> texture
  341. Nov 03 12:50:30 <CRogers> haha, yea, gave up. lol
  342. Nov 03 12:51:34 <CRogers> urrrgh, speaking of giving up, think I'll give up consciousness for a while and have a nap.
  343. Nov 03 12:51:46 <Lazur> https://openclipart.org/image/2400px/svg_to_png/289293/watercolour-drops.png
  344. Nov 03 12:52:52 <CRogers> Hehehe
  345. Nov 03 12:53:25 * CRogers flops onto mattress.
  346. Nov 03 12:54:25 <Lazur> good night!
  347. Nov 03 12:56:16 <Mc> in which timezone is it night time yet
  348. Nov 03 12:57:03 <Lazur> it's 20:56 here
  349. Nov 03 12:57:05 <Lazur> gmt+1
  350. Nov 03 12:57:28 <jabiertxof_> Hi all, there is meeting minutes arround?
  351. Nov 03 12:57:41 <jabiertxof_> Lazur here idem
  352. Nov 03 13:01:12 <Tavmjong> Lazur: I'm working on getting the Pixel Filter working in Inkscape. I've fixed two bugs already.
  353. Nov 03 13:01:36 <Lazur> nice!
  354. Nov 03 13:58:04 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to Mc
  355. Nov 03 13:58:40 <doctormon> Mc: ping
  356. Nov 03 13:58:41 * Mc has changed the topic to: www.inkscape.org || Draw freely! || Development discussion channel || Next board meeting: `date -d "10:00 Fri Dec 1 PDT"`
  357. Nov 03 13:58:44 <doctormon> Mc: ping
  358. Nov 03 13:58:45 <Mc> pong
  359. Nov 03 13:58:50 * Mc removes channel operator status from Mc
  360. Nov 03 13:58:59 <doctormon> Mc: Want to talk filter designs?
  361. Nov 03 13:59:03 <Mc> sure
  362. Nov 03 13:59:11 <Mc> Lazur may be interested too
  363. Nov 03 13:59:42 <Lazur> pong
  364. Nov 03 13:59:47 <doctormon> Mc: So I have this notion and you can give me an honest assessment of what you think. It involves a two step process but I think it resolves some hanging design questions.
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