Home » Bryce Harrington » Resources » PasteBin » Board Meeting - June 2, 2017
  1. Jun 02 11:22:57 <bryce_> *** Board meeting in a little over half an hour
  2. Jun 02 11:51:59 <Tavmjong> ♠ ♣ ♥ ♦ Board Meeting in 9 minutes ♠ ♣ ♥ ♦
  3. Jun 02 11:54:43 <CRogers> 'lo
  4. Jun 02 11:54:50 <CRogers> Did I miss the meeting?
  5. Jun 02 11:55:16 <Tavmjong> CRogers: No, it's in five minutes. 🦎
  6. Jun 02 11:55:25 <CRogers> Nice, just in time.
  7. Jun 02 11:55:28 <CRogers> Thanks
  8. Jun 02 11:56:19 <CRogers> Was on the phone for the last hour with sjm
  9. Jun 02 11:56:59 <CRogers> Fellow runs a company that's been introducing the UK govt to open source software.
  10. Jun 02 11:57:37 <CRogers> He needs all his docs redone in templates that can be edited in FLOSS
  11. Jun 02 11:57:51 <Tavmjong> 𝔹𝕆𝔸ℝ𝔻 𝕄𝔼𝔼𝕋𝕀 ℕ𝔾 in three minutes.
  12. Jun 02 11:58:03 <CRogers> Oooo, fancyfont.
  13. Jun 02 11:58:42 <Tavmjong> Actually... Mathematical Double Struck Unicode section.
  14. Jun 02 11:59:05 <Mc> there is a weird space after the I for me
  15. Jun 02 11:59:32 <Tavmjong> Yeah, I see that too. Don't know why.
  16. Jun 02 12:00:15 <Tavmjong> Might be in the font.
  17. Jun 02 12:00:22 <bryce_> I think Tavmjong is excited for the meeting
  18. Jun 02 12:00:26 <CRogers> Me too... but I'm suprised the font used in Polari supports that character.
  19. Jun 02 12:00:32 <Tavmjong> ========= Board Meeting ==========
  20. Jun 02 12:00:42 <Tavmjong> Who's here?
  21. Jun 02 12:00:44 <rindolf> CRogers: I liked and shared your gin board
  22. Jun 02 12:00:48 <rindolf> Tavmjong: I am
  23. Jun 02 12:01:01 <chr[]> Hi!
  24. Jun 02 12:01:13 <rindolf> hi all
  25. Jun 02 12:01:18 <Tavmjong> tedg: ? doctormon ?
  26. Jun 02 12:01:24 <Tavmjong> ScislaC: ?
  27. Jun 02 12:01:25 <bryce_> Agenda:
  28. Jun 02 12:01:25 <bryce_> + Paris Hackfest
  29. Jun 02 12:01:25 <bryce_> + Inkscape gitlab migration
  30. Jun 02 12:01:25 <bryce_> + Infrastructure backup/alternate hosting
  31. Jun 02 12:01:25 <bryce_> + Funded development project management system
  32. Jun 02 12:01:25 <bryce_> + Merchandise sales
  33. Jun 02 12:01:25 <bryce_> + GSoC 2017
  34. Jun 02 12:01:33 <tedg> Howdy folks
  35. Jun 02 12:01:41 <bryce_> Tavmjong, why don't you lead us off on updates regarding the hackfest
  36. Jun 02 12:01:48 <Tavmjong> OK.
  37. Jun 02 12:02:31 <Tavmjong> I'm not sure what needs to be said. We have five developers for sure with a few non-developer expressing interest.
  38. Jun 02 12:02:48 <Tavmjong> It's going to be in an interesting place... thanks to Mc.
  39. Jun 02 12:02:55 <Mc> :)
  40. Jun 02 12:02:58 <Mc> did you go there ?
  41. Jun 02 12:03:00 <tedg> The location does look very cool.
  42. Jun 02 12:03:10 <bryce_> I notice Conservancy recently clarified their travel reimbursement request process... has that been taken into account and/or is it any issue for us?
  43. Jun 02 12:03:11 <Mc> (it's opened every afternoon)
  44. Jun 02 12:03:12 <chr[]> I'd like to express interest, too ;)
  45. Jun 02 12:03:22 <Tavmjong> I've been to the museum a couple of times but not the hackspace.
  46. Jun 02 12:03:26 <Mc> ok
  47. Jun 02 12:03:59 <Tavmjong> bryce_: The travel policy hasn't changed. It's just explained better.
  48. Jun 02 12:03:59 <Mc> I'll probably go tomorrow afternoon to see how the saturday goes
  49. Jun 02 12:04:12 <bryce_> is there any fundraising being done in association with the hackfest?
  50. Jun 02 12:04:28 <Mc> no communication that I saw yet
  51. Jun 02 12:04:30 <Tavmjong> Mc: Excellent idea. Can discuss about having an Inkscape community event.
  52. Jun 02 12:04:36 <bryce_> I haven't looked at our funds recently but it's possible this may drain us down and be the last hackfest until it gets repleted
  53. Jun 02 12:04:50 <Tavmjong> bryce_: No. But we should try to do some fund raising.
  54. Jun 02 12:04:50 <bryce_> so, make this hackfest count!
  55. Jun 02 12:05:32 <bryce_> alright, if there's nothing more needing to be said, on to next agenda item?
  56. Jun 02 12:05:35 <Tavmjong> I don't think we'll come close to using the budget if no other developers come.
  57. Jun 02 12:05:43 <Tavmjong> Sure, we can move on.
  58. Jun 02 12:06:10 <Mc> are there other devs coming not on the wiki ? (tweenk ?)
  59. Jun 02 12:06:17 <bryce_> Tavmjong, oh that's good to hear; what was your estimate for the expense amount?
  60. Jun 02 12:06:48 <Tavmjong> It's a bit early but only Martin is coming from far.
  61. Jun 02 12:07:35 <Tavmjong> tweenk said he would come if we moved the date. I've emailed him but not heard back. Alex may come too.
  62. Jun 02 12:08:27 <Tavmjong> (Alex from Leeds)
  63. Jun 02 12:08:47 <Mc> :)
  64. Jun 02 12:09:19 <chr[]> Well, I'm user and dev of everything. If I bugreport I usually have a patch ready. I may make a talk about "How we use inkscape to drive our machine" which may one of the largest so far ;)
  65. Jun 02 12:09:36 <Tavmjong> Before we move on, there is GUADEC coming up at the end of July in Manchester.
  66. Jun 02 12:09:47 <Tavmjong> chr[]: Sounds good!
  67. Jun 02 12:09:48 <chr[]> Feature request: we hit the 1% zoom limit
  68. Jun 02 12:10:09 <Rob-Sterbal> My apologies for being late, I joined the wrong inkscape channel
  69. Jun 02 12:10:45 <Tavmjong> Alex has been doing a lot of the GTK3 port and is near Manchester. I think we should try to get him to go if there are any remaining GTK3 issues.
  70. Jun 02 12:11:16 <Mc> The main complaint from (windows) users is the lack of hidpi support
  71. Jun 02 12:11:25 <Tavmjong> And maybe send one or two others. Last year they said they could help us.
  72. Jun 02 12:11:42 <Tavmjong> (they as in people attending GUADEC)
  73. Jun 02 12:11:49 <Mc> it's theorically possible with gtk3 but it will be better to double check it's working right
  74. Jun 02 12:12:13 <bryce_> ok looking at the 2016 budget we have $8000 budgeted for hackfests. The Hackfest2017 lists an allocation of $13,000 for paris.
  75. Jun 02 12:12:14 <Tavmjong> I've ordered a 4K monitor but I don't do windows....
  76. Jun 02 12:12:32 <CRogers> If other devs want to come on their own dime, I can offer a personalised hackfest souvenir
  77. Jun 02 12:12:46 <Mc> if it works right on linux, it'll probably be ok on win
  78. Jun 02 12:12:54 <Mc> (gtk is supposed to be portable
  79. Jun 02 12:12:56 <Mc> )
  80. Jun 02 12:13:10 <bryce_> not all the allocated money will be used, and I think we have gotten some random donations this year (but not much)
  81. Jun 02 12:13:15 <tghs> I’m in Leeds too, so I’ll be able to make it over to Manchester for GUADEC
  82. Jun 02 12:13:28 <Rob-Sterbal> windows has some performance challenges with generic toolkits
  83. Jun 02 12:13:28 <tghs> I plan to work on the Mac gtk3 situation during that time
  84. Jun 02 12:13:32 <Mc> tghs: are you coming to the hackfest ?
  85. Jun 02 12:13:40 <tghs> nah, I can’t make Paris
  86. Jun 02 12:13:53 <bryce_> and we have some contingency funds we can use to cover things, so I'm not worried, but it's true if there are no fundrasing efforts, there will be no funding left for future hackfests
  87. Jun 02 12:14:17 <Rob-Sterbal> I'm happy to work on funding things in the future
  88. Jun 02 12:14:42 <Tavmjong> What did we do last time for fund raising?
  89. Jun 02 12:15:19 <Mc> I can try to post a few tweets asking for donations
  90. Jun 02 12:16:14 <Tavmjong> Did we have a special web page?
  91. Jun 02 12:16:19 <Mc> but i'm not well versed in how FLOSS project typically "advertize"
  92. Jun 02 12:16:19 <doctormon> Hi hi! was distracted teaching someone about python3
  93. Jun 02 12:16:22 <chr[]> My travel would not far but I can use some funding for hotel/sofa. I also ask the owner of the machine: http://chris.rudorff.com/Plotter/IMG_20170214_165918604.jpg
  94. Jun 02 12:16:31 <bryce_> Tavmjong, a lot of time into putting out calls for donations, I'm surprised you don't remember, it was a big effort
  95. Jun 02 12:16:46 <Mc> last year, yeah
  96. Jun 02 12:17:14 <Tavmjong> My memory isn't very good.
  97. Jun 02 12:17:29 <bryce_> anyway, it worked really good having a hackfest as a donation target
  98. Jun 02 12:17:33 <Rob-Sterbal> Donations come from building a community
  99. Jun 02 12:17:38 <bryce_> people were motivated to donate for that purpose
  100. Jun 02 12:17:49 <bryce_> but a lot of the money came in really late
  101. Jun 02 12:18:02 <Mc> ok, so not too late to advertize
  102. Jun 02 12:18:06 <CRogers> Could kickstarter fundraising based on feature sets people ask for all the time.
  103. Jun 02 12:18:20 <Mc> should we encourage people who can and want to help to come to the hackfest ?
  104. Jun 02 12:18:23 <CRogers> That seems to work very well for Krita.
  105. Jun 02 12:18:26 <Tavmjong> https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/hackfest-2016/
  106. Jun 02 12:18:50 <Tavmjong> Can we just update this page?
  107. Jun 02 12:19:05 <Mc> sure
  108. Jun 02 12:19:14 <Mc> or make a new "news" item
  109. Jun 02 12:19:30 <doctormon> Tavmjong: We can
  110. Jun 02 12:19:36 <Tavmjong> ... that points to an updated page with the Donate button.
  111. Jun 02 12:19:42 <bryce_> you should leave that page there but add a new page hackfest-2017. cut and pasting from it would be fine, but if you want to actually engage people you should freshen the content
  112. Jun 02 12:19:56 <Tavmjong> Of course...
  113. Jun 02 12:20:01 <bryce_> also don't make the mistake that fundraising is just putting up a webpage, you have to go beat the bushes
  114. Jun 02 12:20:19 <doctormon> Rob-Sterbal: Would you like to copy and paste and draft the content? I can edit the page and add a new 2017 page for you
  115. Jun 02 12:20:20 <bryce_> the webpage is a prerequisite but people won't find it unless you go engage with them :-)
  116. Jun 02 12:20:21 <ScislaC> hey all
  117. Jun 02 12:20:35 <CRogers> people could be tempted with Inkscape swag
  118. Jun 02 12:20:39 <Tavmjong> ScislaC: !!!
  119. Jun 02 12:20:42 <tedg> Howdy ScislaC
  120. Jun 02 12:20:50 <CRogers> hey ScislaC
  121. Jun 02 12:21:02 <doctormon> Hi ScislaC
  122. Jun 02 12:21:03 <Tavmjong> There are our twitter/G+/Facebook accounts.
  123. Jun 02 12:21:07 <bryce_> even if we end up not needing the funds for *this* hackfest, refilling the kitty will make future hackfests possible
  124. Jun 02 12:21:15 <bryce_> hi ScislaC good to see you again!
  125. Jun 02 12:21:16 <Tavmjong> +1
  126. Jun 02 12:21:17 <tedg> CRogers: I'd agree, but we've kinda failed at the most basic swag at this point, we need to get that going first :-)
  127. Jun 02 12:21:30 <doctormon> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kilt4tm1KDCNysd5oy5M5wJnCCS45fqa7VIoEyBl090/edit#gid=0
  128. Jun 02 12:21:37 * tedg avoids skipping ahead
  129. Jun 02 12:21:43 <ryangorley> What if people could sponsor a specific feature to be developed?
  130. Jun 02 12:21:47 <bryce_> CRogers, I don't think it's really necessary to give things back, most people should be adequately motivated just by knowing the funding will improve the product
  131. Jun 02 12:22:00 <Mc> ryangorley: no
  132. Jun 02 12:22:01 <doctormon> ryangorley: That's super hard, but we're working on that kind of project sponsorship
  133. Jun 02 12:22:57 <bryce_> also avoid overpromising - time goes fast at the hackfest and I'm sure attendees already have things they want to do there, so adding additional commitments may not go well. Promise just what you already expect to be doing.
  134. Jun 02 12:23:04 <doctormon> bryce_: Mostly swag is good for recognition. The SFC has our three sticker designs and our budget, hopefully they'll pull some stickers for us.
  135. Jun 02 12:23:26 * doctormon runs to the bathroom
  136. Jun 02 12:23:30 <Tavmjong> I definitely agree with not overpromising!
  137. Jun 02 12:23:33 <CRogers> Cool.
  138. Jun 02 12:23:47 <Mc> can we have stickers for the hackfest ?
  139. Jun 02 12:23:53 <bryce_> doctormon, true. Well like tedg says swag delivery hasn't really been "in our wheelwell" to date. Maybe the stickers will finally give us an easy delivery.
  140. Jun 02 12:24:11 <Rob-Sterbal> There doesn't seem to be a main Facebook page
  141. Jun 02 12:24:21 <chr[]> What's the largest known CNC machine using inkscape? We may hold the hi score?
  142. Jun 02 12:24:25 <ryangorley> Then don't promise anything, but at least communicate what people have to gain by donating. (I'll shut up now) ;)
  143. Jun 02 12:24:41 <bryce_> still, I think people will be motivated by the idea of making Inkscape better, and a hackfest is conceptually straightforward to justify donations
  144. Jun 02 12:24:46 <Mc> Rob-Sterbal: I can take care of the twitter, but i don't use fb
  145. Jun 02 12:24:46 <Rob-Sterbal> Instagram is a natural fit for graphics utility
  146. Jun 02 12:24:49 <tedg> chr[]: Post it to the devel list, if no one disagrees, you win :-)
  147. Jun 02 12:24:52 <CRogers> It's true, however keep in mind that official releases are gold to most users.
  148. Jun 02 12:24:55 <Tavmjong> chr[]: That would make a good news article for our web site.
  149. Jun 02 12:24:58 <chr[]> tedg: ye ;)
  150. Jun 02 12:25:00 <CRogers> they include lots of new features.
  151. Jun 02 12:25:05 <Mc> instagram is good when you produce graphic content
  152. Jun 02 12:25:06 <CRogers> Stuff that's already done! :D
  153. Jun 02 12:25:16 <Mc> I think we have too few interactions with artists
  154. Jun 02 12:25:30 <Rob-Sterbal> I think the demographics will show that you will reach the most users on one platform and developers on another
  155. Jun 02 12:25:31 <CRogers> So we could include some of those items as a list of things that will go into the official release as a deliverable.
  156. Jun 02 12:25:37 <Mc> IMO krita succeeds well at advertizing becaue they work with awesome artists to promote them
  157. Jun 02 12:26:17 <bryce_> yeah lots and lots of potential for ideas for fundraising
  158. Jun 02 12:26:22 <CRogers> Mc: They also deliver things that artists ask for as their primary goal.
  159. Jun 02 12:26:32 <Rob-Sterbal> The key is to measure your baseline, and then keep measuring your results
  160. Jun 02 12:26:53 <Mc> yes but I think we already have many things that artists use
  161. Jun 02 12:27:04 <doctormon> Mc stickers for hackfest might be hard, the SFC runs like mollases. But I have the designs if you want to source a local quick run.
  162. Jun 02 12:27:06 <CRogers> Artists don't know/care about gtk+, so we'd have to work in stuff that's desirable for pro graphics folks.
  163. Jun 02 12:27:08 <bryce_> most aren't that complicated and are likely to generate decent returns -- the limiting factor ends up mostly just being someone putting in some hours to get the fundraiser coordinated.
  164. Jun 02 12:27:17 <doctormon> Mc: I'd chip in money for that actually.
  165. Jun 02 12:27:34 <Rob-Sterbal> who is considered the top 5 competitors to inkscape?
  166. Jun 02 12:27:39 <Lazur> largest cnc? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUdnrtnjT5Q
  167. Jun 02 12:27:48 <CRogers> Rob-Sterbal: open source you mean?
  168. Jun 02 12:27:48 <Mc> Tavmjong: do you know local sticker printers near paris ?
  169. Jun 02 12:28:30 <CRogers> Who are we printing stickers for?
  170. Jun 02 12:28:34 <Tavmjong> Mc: No.
  171. Jun 02 12:28:43 <Mc> CRogers: because you don't market it properly: gtk3 migration may give a native-looking ui for mac os, and many people would pay for that :p
  172. Jun 02 12:29:13 <doctormon> Mc: Aye, or a working inkscape release "on release day" or whatever they call it.
  173. Jun 02 12:29:29 <CRogers> Mc: Krita's donations from Mac users are so low they didn't even have an official release for MacOS last time.
  174. Jun 02 12:29:36 <jabiertxof_> sorry a stiker is a adhesive? I could print someone in a Digial printer Shop here
  175. Jun 02 12:29:43 <Mc> ok ^^
  176. Jun 02 12:29:57 <doctormon> jabiertxof_: Yes, an artwork adhesive.
  177. Jun 02 12:30:08 <Mc> jabiertxof_: in time for the hackfest ? (yes, an adhesive to put on a laptop)
  178. Jun 02 12:30:18 <CRogers> Why stickers?
  179. Jun 02 12:30:22 <jabiertxof_> I could do
  180. Jun 02 12:30:25 <CRogers> Who are we giving them to?
  181. Jun 02 12:30:51 <chr[]> Lazur: ... using inkscape?
  182. Jun 02 12:30:55 <Mc> us, users, fablabs, anyone that wants them
  183. Jun 02 12:30:57 <bryce_> CRogers, doctormon has been working on getting something set up with Conservancy to print them to give away at events.
  184. Jun 02 12:31:12 <Mc> stickers are fashionable items that people linking a product put on their laptops
  185. Jun 02 12:31:20 <Tavmjong> CRogers: Good question. If it's to raise money then it's not so urgent. But we are planning a community event at the Hackfest.
  186. Jun 02 12:31:57 <Tavmjong> So it might be nice to have some to give out.
  187. Jun 02 12:32:01 <bryce_> anyway, I think we're getting a bit into general fundraising which is drifting a bit from the hackfest topic
  188. Jun 02 12:32:17 <Mc> we are still not certain we can make it at carrnum, they also have blender and fedora event that saturday
  189. Jun 02 12:32:21 <doctormon> CRogers: Also good for developers and excited users to take a stack away for their own local events.
  190. Jun 02 12:32:38 <doctormon> jabiertxof_: https://inkscape.org/en/~doctormo/%E2%98%85stickers-2017-draw-freely Let me upload the other two.
  191. Jun 02 12:33:02 <jabiertxof_> how much we need for each
  192. Jun 02 12:33:05 <jabiertxof_> ?
  193. Jun 02 12:33:11 <Mc> number of stickers ?
  194. Jun 02 12:33:18 <bryce_> if anyone has an idea for fundraising they feel passionate about, and want to lead the effort I can help get you started. Maybe we can talk more on it later.
  195. Jun 02 12:33:19 <jabiertxof_> mate or brillant?
  196. Jun 02 12:33:25 <jabiertxof_> yes number
  197. Jun 02 12:33:40 <bryce_> === Stickers ===
  198. Jun 02 12:33:47 <Mc> doctormon: you said you wanted to investigate other platforms for merchandise ?
  199. Jun 02 12:33:48 <jabiertxof_> :)
  200. Jun 02 12:33:56 <Mc> (last time)
  201. Jun 02 12:34:02 <bryce_> doctormon, mind sharing what the status is of getting them printed? Sounded like Conservancy would be able to help us?
  202. Jun 02 12:34:07 <doctormon> Mc: Yes, I've noodles around.
  203. Jun 02 12:34:24 <Mc> any good finds ?
  204. Jun 02 12:34:53 <doctormon> The stickers are designed from the about screen entrants. The artists were all asked if they minded the art being used for stickers and then send to the SFC with a target budget of $100 (as voted on)
  205. Jun 02 12:35:05 <doctormon> https://inkscape.org/en/~doctormo/%E2%98%85stickers-2017-draw-freely
  206. Jun 02 12:35:11 <bryce_> Mc, let's finish up on stickers. There's an agenda item for merchandising so hold that thought we'll circle back around to it
  207. Jun 02 12:35:12 <Mc> how much stickers does that do ?
  208. Jun 02 12:35:20 <CRogers> If we are doing a community event, how about a raffle for an inkscape mug signed by the hackfest devs?
  209. Jun 02 12:35:54 <doctormon> https://inkscape.org/en/~doctormo/%E2%98%85stickers-2017-landscape-inkscape
  210. Jun 02 12:36:15 <doctormon> Mc: We don't know how many, although I expect 250 of each.
  211. Jun 02 12:36:18 <CRogers> Also, I'm doing glasses for the attendees listed on the hackfest website. Engraving this into either a metal disk to attache to the cups, or possibly the glasses themselves: https://www.dropbox.com/s/yt25l6v7y8yjbsu/rect895.png?dl=0
  212. Jun 02 12:36:40 <bryce_> CRogers, great idea for the mug - can you jot that idea down on http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Fundraising_Ideas so it doesn't get forgotten?
  213. Jun 02 12:37:07 <doctormon> bryce_: I rather think he's going to run off and make the things ;-)
  214. Jun 02 12:37:26 <bryce_> doctormon, ok so anything else to say on stickers?
  215. Jun 02 12:37:36 <CRogers> I'm still here. :)
  216. Jun 02 12:37:41 <bryce_> otherwise lets move on to gitlab migration
  217. Jun 02 12:37:46 <doctormon> We'll likely be waiyting a while for Brett to get back to us.
  218. Jun 02 12:37:55 <doctormon> That's about it.
  219. Jun 02 12:37:55 <Mc> (also related to fundraising: I can try to make a donation dummy "add-on" to inkscape on the windows store to make it easier for people there to give, do ou think it's a good idea ? (m$ cut is 30%) )
  220. Jun 02 12:38:03 <CRogers> If you want stickers now, I can get you stickers now.
  221. Jun 02 12:38:13 <Lazur> I didn't got asked about my about screen image :(
  222. Jun 02 12:38:27 <bryce_> Mc, very good idea. Can you post to inkscape-board@ with details on that?
  223. Jun 02 12:38:41 <CRogers> doctormon: send me the graphics you want on the stickers.
  224. Jun 02 12:38:42 <Lazur> imho you need t-shirts, inkscape is almost unknown
  225. Jun 02 12:38:43 <jabiertxof_> cool CRogers!
  226. Jun 02 12:38:50 <bryce_> Mc, i.e. something we could CC to Conservancy to make sure everything's legally kosher.
  227. Jun 02 12:38:57 <CRogers> Thanks :)
  228. Jun 02 12:39:10 <bryce_> Lazur, we do actually have t-shirts via spreadshirt
  229. Jun 02 12:39:26 <bryce_> Lazur, we'll circle around to this topic in the agenda so stay tuned.
  230. Jun 02 12:39:27 <doctormon> Lazur: Can you msg me?
  231. Jun 02 12:39:30 <Lazur> maybe I asked only the "wrong persons" but no copyshop printers knew about it
  232. Jun 02 12:39:33 <CRogers> bryce_: that's another popular signed raffle item: tshirts.
  233. Jun 02 12:39:36 <Mc> Inkscape has been on the win10 store for a month today : 10170 installs (now steady at 400 new installs/day), with very good reviews (quite a bunch of people "discover" inkscape that way, interestingly)
  234. Jun 02 12:39:55 <Rob-Sterbal> most open source projects are focused on developer's needs, not user's needs
  235. Jun 02 12:39:56 <Lazur> *people
  236. Jun 02 12:40:17 <Tavmjong> === Gitlab Migration ===
  237. Jun 02 12:40:23 <Tavmjong> Status?
  238. Jun 02 12:40:25 <bryce_> tedg, mind giving us an update?
  239. Jun 02 12:40:31 <doctormon> Rob-Sterbal: It's more subtle than that, it's "most developers are focused on their own needs, because that's who's paying them, i.e. themselves to work in it."
  240. Jun 02 12:40:40 <tedg> Sorry, was looking at t-shirts :-)
  241. Jun 02 12:40:57 <tedg> Thinking that logo would be good to do in one of those temporary run sites...
  242. Jun 02 12:41:01 <bryce_> we're all a bit distractable today I see :-)
  243. Jun 02 12:41:09 <doctormon> lol, ball pit time!
  244. Jun 02 12:41:24 <Lazur> message where?
  245. Jun 02 12:41:27 <tedg> Anyway, I was super impressed with the quality of shirts I got from someone else here: https://cottonbureau.com/submit-a-design
  246. Jun 02 12:41:29 <Mc> I personaly would like it started just before the hackfest
  247. Jun 02 12:41:32 <Mc> (migration)
  248. Jun 02 12:41:41 <Mc> because there are work items to do just after the migration
  249. Jun 02 12:41:42 <bryce_> me too, although I know time's short
  250. Jun 02 12:42:00 <tedg> K, so I've grabbed all the branches a few times and I'm generally happy with the results (minus the 0.44 branch)
  251. Jun 02 12:42:18 <bryce_> there seems a consensus no one cares about the 0.44 branch
  252. Jun 02 12:42:21 <tedg> I haven't tried it with the message patch that was posted to the mailing list, but I plan to do that this weekend.
  253. Jun 02 12:42:24 <Mc> like automating builds, fixing the parts of cmake that rely on bzr, trying to setup win and mac builds, or fixing jenkins
  254. Jun 02 12:42:28 <tedg> I'm not to worries about it, but I want to try it once.
  255. Jun 02 12:42:39 <tedg> Generally it takes overnight to grab all the branches.
  256. Jun 02 12:42:55 <doctormon> Mc: I agree with you, we should do git migration before the hackfest. If possible.
  257. Jun 02 12:42:55 <tedg> I think that the script is a little over zealous on the branches it grabs, but I'm fine with that for a one time migration.
  258. Jun 02 12:42:56 <Mc> I'd like it worked on at the hackfest, but it requires the migration done while, if undone, prevent further development
  259. Jun 02 12:43:09 <Mc> (we cant develop if the build is not working)
  260. Jun 02 12:43:10 <Ede_123> tedg: You can check them all out locally. Speeds up the process a lot
  261. Jun 02 12:43:50 <tedg> Yeah, so I'm willing to optimize or JFDI at this point.
  262. Jun 02 12:44:04 <doctormon> We can have a vote if you like
  263. Jun 02 12:44:09 <tedg> I'm thinking of freeze Bazaar one evening. Run the migration. Push to GitLab in the morning.
  264. Jun 02 12:44:16 <tedg> Hopefully 24-hours of "downtime"
  265. Jun 02 12:44:31 <Mc> 24h before hackfest ?
  266. Jun 02 12:44:55 <doctormon> tedg: Give 24 hours notice to the devel list and irc, I think that should be enough.
  267. Jun 02 12:44:56 <tedg> I'm confident, but I'd like a little room for error :-)
  268. Jun 02 12:45:11 <bryce_> do we have a toggle to turn bzr commits off?
  269. Jun 02 12:45:14 <doctormon> So 48 hours total.
  270. Jun 02 12:45:20 <bryce_> (I should probably know offhand but I don't)
  271. Jun 02 12:45:28 <tedg> We could move everyone out of the ~inkscape.dev group on LP
  272. Jun 02 12:45:37 <Mc> why ?
  273. Jun 02 12:45:47 <bryce_> aye that'd do it. seems like a PITA though
  274. Jun 02 12:45:49 <tedg> Just so they get an error instead of wondering why their commit is lost
  275. Jun 02 12:46:00 <Ede_123> Worst case some commits are lost... just tell people
  276. Jun 02 12:46:00 <Tavmjong> I think if the move is not done in the next week or so, it should be postponed to after the hackfest.
  277. Jun 02 12:46:10 <doctormon> tedg: Change the owner to inkscape-board.
  278. Jun 02 12:46:21 <bryce_> yeah changing the owner seems cleaner
  279. Jun 02 12:46:31 <tedg> Yup, that works too.
  280. Jun 02 12:46:31 <jabiertxof_> what about branches personals not in inkscape-devel group. are also migrated?
  281. Jun 02 12:46:37 <tedg> jabiertxof_: Yes
  282. Jun 02 12:46:39 <bryce_> sure there's not just a toggle to turn off commits?
  283. Jun 02 12:46:43 <jabiertxof_> :)
  284. Jun 02 12:46:44 <Mc> we risk to lose them
  285. Jun 02 12:46:54 <Mc> (not yet merged branches)
  286. Jun 02 12:47:12 <Mc> are there branches ready for merge and not yet done ?
  287. Jun 02 12:47:12 <bryce_> hmm, changing owner would work for trunk, but each branch is owned by someone different...
  288. Jun 02 12:47:22 <tedg> Mc: The lp2gh tool makes them into Git branches
  289. Jun 02 12:47:23 <Mc> bryce_: trunk is the important one
  290. Jun 02 12:47:37 <tedg> bryce_: Sure, we definitely couldn't adjust other people's branches.
  291. Jun 02 12:47:49 <tedg> bryce_: Even if LP had a switch, we couldn't turn it on there.
  292. Jun 02 12:47:51 <chr[]> And some user branches are pretty old ... just like some bug reports
  293. Jun 02 12:47:55 <Mc> we cannot prevent people from having their branches in inkscape except by nuking the entire project from lp I think
  294. Jun 02 12:48:12 <Mc> chr[]: we are keeping bug reports there from now
  295. Jun 02 12:48:15 <doctormon> Ownership over branches doesn't quite work the same way in git, so we'd likely end up with a pile of branches and then prune them back later.
  296. Jun 02 12:48:29 <Mc> Even though I would like to raise the topic of bugtracker migration
  297. Jun 02 12:48:32 <bryce_> should we let branches owned by people other than inkscape.dev just do the migration themselves if they wish?
  298. Jun 02 12:48:37 <Ede_123> Do we even want to have user branches in the official Inkscape repo? I'm opposed; that's not how Git*ab is meant
  299. Jun 02 12:48:43 <tedg> Eventually, I think we remove the Bazaar branches in LP and switch to Git mirrors. But we need to be confident of the change first.
  300. Jun 02 12:48:53 <Mc> Ede_123: yeah, it should probably be forks
  301. Jun 02 12:49:04 <Mc> but for migration that would probably be easiest
  302. Jun 02 12:49:12 <tedg> bryce_: There are tag files that make the exports cleaner, so it is easier to do all at once.
  303. Jun 02 12:49:34 <Ede_123> just want to prevent we end up with a huge and unhandy repo nobody can work with...
  304. Jun 02 12:49:35 <Mc> (migrating bugs) because lp has a serious spam problem
  305. Jun 02 12:49:37 <tedg> It's not impossible and all that, but I'd like to grab what we can.
  306. Jun 02 12:50:11 <bryce_> alright
  307. Jun 02 12:50:18 <tedg> Ede_123: I don't think anyone grabs all the branches of a repo in Git, just the master branch anyway.
  308. Jun 02 12:50:30 <bryce_> well I suppose worst case with user-owned branches the user can clean things up manually, this isn't rocket science
  309. Jun 02 12:50:46 <Mc> and while the spam almost makes lp answers unusable, the bugs are more and more regularly impacted
  310. Jun 02 12:50:49 * tedg notes that was said by a rocket scientist ;-)
  311. Jun 02 12:51:23 <doctormon> We can't migrate bugs to gitlab.com, although our own gitlab instance would be possible.
  312. Jun 02 12:51:33 <Mc> why N
  313. Jun 02 12:51:35 <Mc> why ?*
  314. Jun 02 12:51:56 <bryce_> tedg, ok so sounds like a plan -- send notice to the list (today?), then 24hr later change ownership of inkscape.dev's branches or otherwise configure them so they can't be committed to, run the migration script, do any cleanup, and if all's well we reopen on gitlab 24 hr after that
  315. Jun 02 12:51:58 <doctormon> We might have to back them up and choose what we want to migrate. Because I could migrate them with an 'lp_owner' user, which would be fine.
  316. Jun 02 12:52:06 <bryce_> ^^^ does this sound acceptable to everyone?
  317. Jun 02 12:52:20 <tedg> I'm thinking after the weekend, there seems to be more development then?
  318. Jun 02 12:52:25 <Mc> most user branches are not that far from trunk so it's always possible to grab the diff from trunk in a lp merge request and make a pull request on git, that's not much of a problem
  319. Jun 02 12:52:27 <doctormon> Mc: The issue is that gitlab.com won't allow me to set the issue owner or comment owner other than myself (or the user being used to access the api)
  320. Jun 02 12:52:31 <tedg> i.e. do it on a Wednesday night or something like that.
  321. Jun 02 12:52:41 <Tavmjong> Sounds good.
  322. Jun 02 12:53:02 <tedg> So I'm thinking e-mail today saying this Wed. Email Wed. Etc.
  323. Jun 02 12:53:03 <Mc> doctormon: that's not a real problem to make all imported "past" bugs and comments under an importer account
  324. Jun 02 12:53:12 <Tavmjong> One thing I'm not clear on is how do we link bug reports to particular builds?
  325. Jun 02 12:53:21 <bryce_> tedg, ok if that works for Tav's hackfest deadline it's ok by me
  326. Jun 02 12:53:26 <doctormon> Mc: Can do, we can talk about the scripts to make that happen if you think it's a way forward.
  327. Jun 02 12:53:47 <bryce_> Tavmjong, with git generally one references by the commit SHA
  328. Jun 02 12:53:52 <bryce_> if that's what you're asking?
  329. Jun 02 12:54:00 <Mc> doctormon: we can talk about it at the hackfest
  330. Jun 02 12:54:07 <Mc> (i dont have much time before then)
  331. Jun 02 12:54:15 <doctormon> ok
  332. Jun 02 12:54:55 <bryce_> tedg, ok anything else we need to sort out with gitlab migration for you to be able to send out that notice?
  333. Jun 02 12:54:59 <Tavmjong> But SHA's are not ordered....
  334. Jun 02 12:55:04 <tedg> Nothing from me.
  335. Jun 02 12:55:05 <bryce_> otherwise let's move on to the next agenda item
  336. Jun 02 12:55:16 <Mc> bryce_: can you give a 1 week time to people on inkscape-devel so that they can merge stuff they have pending ?
  337. Jun 02 12:55:21 <tedg> Tavmjong: Yes :-( Git is overall kinda sucky, but it won.
  338. Jun 02 12:55:36 <tedg> Mc: Giving 5 days? Is that okay?
  339. Jun 02 12:55:40 <Mc> sure
  340. Jun 02 12:55:42 <bryce_> Mc, Tavmjong said he wants to see the migration completed <1 week else it ought to be delated to post-hackfest
  341. Jun 02 12:56:00 <Mc> I thought it was >1week before hackfest ^^
  342. Jun 02 12:56:17 <bryce_> Mc, doing it Wednesday gives a healthy lead time if not a full week
  343. Jun 02 12:56:31 <Tavmjong> Let's say two weeks before the hackfest.
  344. Jun 02 12:56:51 <Mc> that's june 11
  345. Jun 02 12:57:08 <Mc> (end of next week-end)
  346. Jun 02 12:57:10 <Tavmjong> So by the 12th.
  347. Jun 02 12:57:11 <bryce_> "<Tavmjong> I think if the move is not done in the next week or so, it should be postponed to after the hackfest."
  348. Jun 02 12:57:20 <su_v> tedg: "I don't think anyone grabs all the branches of a repo in Git, just the master branch anyway." - how do you do that exactly?
  349. Jun 02 12:58:04 <su_v> AFAIU with git, you get all branches, and decide locally to make one current (via checkout)
  350. Jun 02 12:58:21 <Mc> If branches don't differ too much, that's not a big memory overhead
  351. Jun 02 12:58:32 <jabiertxof_> but you download all!
  352. Jun 02 12:58:48 <su_v> how long will it take each user to originally fetch inkscape sources from gitlab (with all release branches and every unmerged merge request branch part of the repo)?
  353. Jun 02 12:58:54 <tedg> su_v: No you can grab which branches you want, there's no requirement for repos to be the same. They're just like symbolic links on hashes.
  354. Jun 02 12:59:24 <su_v> but I have to fetch all data first, right?
  355. Jun 02 12:59:27 <tedg> A "repo" doesn't actually exist, it's just a collection of branches.
  356. Jun 02 13:00:11 <tedg> su_v: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1778088/how-to-clone-a-single-branch-in-git
  357. Jun 02 13:00:14 <bryce_> su_v, two things to keep in mind - first, git compression is *really* good, so a branch of trunk is going to be miniscule even if it has lots of changes on it
  358. Jun 02 13:00:25 <tghs> IIRC git clone --mirror is gets you all branches
  359. Jun 02 13:01:26 <Mc> we can see and try anyway
  360. Jun 02 13:01:38 <Mc> if that's too much a burden do something lighter
  361. Jun 02 13:01:40 <bryce_> su_v, second, git lets branches exist in a much more distributed nature, so most developers with branches will be kept in a separate space than trunk
  362. Jun 02 13:01:41 <doctormon> tedg: There's a big re-documentation job after the migration, please let me know when I should trigger it and I'll get to work rewriting inkscape.org
  363. Jun 02 13:02:09 <bryce_> although I'm not 100% sure how that's set up on gitlab. But even for large projects this isn't a big issue (remember git was designed for the kernel...)
  364. Jun 02 13:02:33 <jabiertxof_> I use only a bit git but I think we need on Inkscape code only official branches and do forks for the rest. It aboid broken things
  365. Jun 02 13:02:57 <Ede_123> Agreed... we should really think this through before messing git up from the start...
  366. Jun 02 13:03:05 <bryce_> I think Wednesday is a good target for the transition. That way if there's problems we still have several days contingency before it starts getting dicy in relation to getting it completed before the hackfest.
  367. Jun 02 13:03:31 <bryce_> jabiertxof_, yep that's my impression as well. I'd actually be a bit surprised if that wasn't how it will work.
  368. Jun 02 13:03:43 <bryce_> ok, moving on in the agenda.
  369. Jun 02 13:03:44 <Mc> or we can try experimenting with that before the formal freeze/change
  370. Jun 02 13:03:56 <bryce_> === Infrastructure backup/alternate hosting ===
  371. Jun 02 13:04:17 <Mc> why would we want to quit osusol ?
  372. Jun 02 13:04:28 <bryce_> I don't want to say a huge amount here, right now is mainly in early stage discussion with me and doctormon
  373. Jun 02 13:04:35 <jabiertxof_> who put: yep that's my impression as well. I'd actually be a bit surprised if that wasn't how it will work...
  374. Jun 02 13:04:40 <jabiertxof_> ?
  375. Jun 02 13:04:55 <bryce_> Mc, we've not made a determination to do so yet but there's two issues we're facing
  376. Jun 02 13:05:28 <bryce_> first is capacity has been limited with OSUOSL so for scaling infrastructure we'd want to look at upleveling hosting, maybe even getting a dedicated machine
  377. Jun 02 13:05:47 <bryce_> admittedly, that doesn't necessarily require moving from OSUOSL, so that'll be part of the consideration
  378. Jun 02 13:05:53 <Mc> (can we have a dedicated machine "at" osuosl ?)
  379. Jun 02 13:06:05 <bryce_> second is that OSUOSL's responsiveness has been very slow
  380. Jun 02 13:06:21 <Mc> ok
  381. Jun 02 13:06:47 <bryce_> there's been several attempts at getting new infrastructure bits going at OSUOSL that's just fizzled due to lack of response from OSUOSL
  382. Jun 02 13:06:48 <Rob-Sterbal> Is there an annual budget?
  383. Jun 02 13:07:27 <bryce_> Rob-Sterbal, we do maintain an annual budget for expenses, although I haven't updated it for 2017
  384. Jun 02 13:07:50 <bryce_> OSUOSL and Fastly have sponsored us 100% so infrastructure has not been a budget item
  385. Jun 02 13:08:17 <Mc> fastly is saving us terabytes of bw
  386. Jun 02 13:08:23 <bryce_> we do have money we could throw at the problem, but at this stage I'm expecting we'd want to be looking at hosts that would be interested in sponsorship arrangemetns
  387. Jun 02 13:08:26 <Rob-Sterbal> where can I review the last 2-5 years?
  388. Jun 02 13:08:48 <Mc> maybe there are companies that can offer hosting
  389. Jun 02 13:08:51 <bryce_> Rob-Sterbal, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dVTAA_1LF7HyuJdK2paE_kudUAb4edL7AIYctPHMJOA/edit#gid=137331848
  390. Jun 02 13:09:00 <bryce_> Mc, exactly.
  391. Jun 02 13:09:15 <bryce_> so doctormon and I are getting info together on what we require and so on.
  392. Jun 02 13:09:30 <doctormon> That's exactly right bryce_ :-)
  393. Jun 02 13:09:37 -Rob-Sterbal- thank you
  394. Jun 02 13:09:49 <bryce_> now, even if we do stay with OSUOSL, I think it would behoove us to have a second host for failover purposes
  395. Jun 02 13:09:59 <bryce_> that's just best practices
  396. Jun 02 13:10:45 <bryce_> that would not be anything sophisticated, just a host with a backup copy of our infrastructure that could be brought online if there was an outage
  397. Jun 02 13:10:59 <bryce_> like some of the outages we've seen
  398. Jun 02 13:11:12 <jabiertxof_> a local one?
  399. Jun 02 13:11:17 <Mc> maybe we can ask gandi
  400. Jun 02 13:11:17 <bryce_> anyway, I guess I did have a fair bit to say there
  401. Jun 02 13:11:43 <bryce_> jabiertxof_, we were thinking like e.g. one host in Europe, one in Canada/US
  402. Jun 02 13:11:47 <Mc> https://www.gandi.net/supports/
  403. Jun 02 13:11:54 <bryce_> just to get some geographic distribution
  404. Jun 02 13:12:03 <bryce_> Mc, yep gandi was first place I looked :-)
  405. Jun 02 13:12:22 <Mc> no answer yet ?
  406. Jun 02 13:12:32 <bryce_> I am not sure they'd be interested in sponsorship though. I am building a list of places to ask.
  407. Jun 02 13:12:35 <jabiertxof_> Thanks bryce_ :-)
  408. Jun 02 13:13:45 <bryce_> Mc, we're not at a point of being ready to start contacting. Like I mentioned we want to pin down what we need so when we do ask companies, we are prepared to engage meaningfully.
  409. Jun 02 13:13:52 <Mc> ok
  410. Jun 02 13:14:16 <bryce_> alright, more on that as we go. So unless there's any questions, on to next topic.
  411. Jun 02 13:14:28 <bryce_> === Funded development project management system ===
  412. Jun 02 13:14:47 <bryce_> someone mentioned a while back doing a kickstarter for user requested Inkscape feature development work
  413. Jun 02 13:15:06 <bryce_> so that's what this is about basically.
  414. Jun 02 13:15:40 <bryce_> unfortunately I think I'm the only one working on it, and with my limited time availability and complete lack of Django skills progress is tediously slow...
  415. Jun 02 13:16:47 <ryangorley> Where can one find prior information about this effort, so you don't have to cover again in here?
  416. Jun 02 13:16:50 <bryce_> I am trying to put time in (mostly learning Django innards lately), but also am VERY open to the idea of doing funded feature development in a more manual process - IF I could get someone's help coordinating it.
  417. Jun 02 13:17:12 <Mc> manual process is probably find considering the amount of demands
  418. Jun 02 13:17:35 <Mc> s/find/fine*/
  419. Jun 02 13:17:41 <bryce_> ryangorley, there's a page in the wiki somewhere, and it was posted as a GSoC idea if you just want a short summary
  420. Jun 02 13:17:58 <bryce_> the full description is on the website linked from the Donations menu
  421. Jun 02 13:18:13 <ryangorley> Ths
  422. Jun 02 13:18:15 <ryangorley> Thx
  423. Jun 02 13:18:43 <Mc> so we'd just need a volunteer to keep track of which features are requestes with how much donations ?
  424. Jun 02 13:18:44 <bryce_> we've already got several projects identified that we'd pay for, and we have some funds allocated ($500 or maybe $1000 iirc but I'd need to look)
  425. Jun 02 13:19:00 <jabiertxof_> bryce_: in my bussines want to start working on dyango for some process. I dont have idea about but I could try to help
  426. Jun 02 13:19:38 <bryce_> so the manual task would be putting out calls for workers, and then coordinating getting them vetted and signed up to do the work, and then overseeing their progress. Conservancy would handle the payment end, but you'd need to make sure the paperwork was getting done for that.
  427. Jun 02 13:19:54 <Mc> I know a few people well versed in django but no idea on how much they're busy
  428. Jun 02 13:20:18 <bryce_> Mc, we actually have track for that, it's mainly we need a person tracker to recruit workers and "hire" them for the tasks
  429. Jun 02 13:21:01 <Mc> "finding" devs is hard
  430. Jun 02 13:21:07 <Mc> (good devs)
  431. Jun 02 13:21:10 <bryce_> yep
  432. Jun 02 13:21:26 <bryce_> so that's the meat of the task
  433. Jun 02 13:22:06 <Mc> I think it's likely that they might be an afflux of devs trying tasks with no chance to complete them right
  434. Jun 02 13:22:07 <bryce_> frankly, that work would need to be done even if we had the django software all in place, probably.
  435. Jun 02 13:22:13 <Mc> yep
  436. Jun 02 13:22:25 <bryce_> Mc, right thus the need for vetting that I mentioned
  437. Jun 02 13:22:52 <Mc> that sounds like a job similar to gsoc mentoring :p
  438. Jun 02 13:22:59 <bryce_> but the vetting could be delegated to board members or others, just requires coordination
  439. Jun 02 13:23:23 <bryce_> yep
  440. Jun 02 13:24:21 <ryangorley> This seems like something that would be valuable for many FOSS projects. Would it be possible to recruit help from contacts at another to get it built?
  441. Jun 02 13:24:44 <bryce_> so my question is - would anyone be interested in adopting that role? We could constrain the scope so it's not open ended or an overwhelming amount of work (e.g. focus on just one project)
  442. Jun 02 13:25:25 <bryce_> ryangorley, I agree it probably has broad applicability to other projects. No idea on recruitment feasibility.
  443. Jun 02 13:25:31 <Mc> That sounds like something I can take for one or two projects
  444. Jun 02 13:25:46 <bryce_> Mc, how's your time availability?
  445. Jun 02 13:26:03 <Mc> (but i would be less invested than gsoc)
  446. Jun 02 13:26:22 <Mc> I'm like always present to discuss with people
  447. Jun 02 13:26:26 <Mc> (on irc)
  448. Jun 02 13:26:28 <bryce_> :-)
  449. Jun 02 13:26:37 <Mc> and I can usually judge their code
  450. Jun 02 13:27:23 <bryce_> Mc, ok thanks, I can follow up with you offlist to discuss details.
  451. Jun 02 13:27:34 <Mc> sure
  452. Jun 02 13:27:50 <bryce_> alright, if no other discussion on funded projects, moving on...
  453. Jun 02 13:28:01 <bryce_> === Merchandising Sales ===
  454. Jun 02 13:28:10 <Mc> (but I will put less time in those than in gsoc, for that kind of task I would just check that they can code right for inkscape (asking two patchs to review would feel a good prerequisite) and guide them on the right track)
  455. Jun 02 13:28:12 <bryce_> NOW is the time for t-shirts, mugs, and so on :-)
  456. Jun 02 13:28:40 <tedg> I think it'd be cool if we did one of those "must pass this line limited sale" runs of T-shirts for the hackfest.
  457. Jun 02 13:28:42 <Lazur> =T-time=
  458. Jun 02 13:28:49 <tedg> Looks like there's already a logo.
  459. Jun 02 13:28:53 <Rob-Sterbal> It makes sense to post these on social media and to a newsletter list
  460. Jun 02 13:28:54 <bryce_> [only other topic on agenda is GSoC but I doubt there's much significant to say yet there, so if anyone needs to bail and doesn't care about these two topics, you won't be missing anything else]
  461. Jun 02 13:29:17 <Mc> not much to say about gsoc, it started this week
  462. Jun 02 13:29:22 <tedg> So my thought is "ship it" have the sales end the first day of the hackfest
  463. Jun 02 13:30:08 <bryce_> tedg, via spreadshirt or ...?
  464. Jun 02 13:30:32 <tedg> bryce_: I never thought we found a way to get good stuff from them...
  465. Jun 02 13:30:35 <bryce_> doctormon, do you happen to know where we stand with spreadshirt (or other alternatives)?
  466. Jun 02 13:30:47 <tedg> We didn't like to one-off shirts, not sure about the large batch stuff.
  467. Jun 02 13:31:02 <bryce_> tedg, last I recall we were proceeding for a few items that didn't look too bad but looking into alternatives
  468. Jun 02 13:31:26 <Mc> doctormon: ?
  469. Jun 02 13:31:53 <tedg> I've been really happy with the shirts from Cotton Bureau, like I like them as shirts independent of what's on them.
  470. Jun 02 13:32:21 <tedg> (and they do a grab bag which I did, and the shirt kinda sucks, but I still wear it because I like the cotton)
  471. Jun 02 13:34:26 <Tavmjong> I need to bail... Good night all.
  472. Jun 02 13:34:37 <bryce_> doctormon, have you spoken with Mihaela lately about how she's coming along? Maybe time for a re-ping?
  473. Jun 02 13:34:37 <Lazur> good night
  474. Jun 02 13:34:46 <bryce_> *wave* Tavmjong
  475. Jun 02 13:35:59 <CRogers> tedg: Yes, I made the logo, but it's just for the stuff I'm trying to get made as a take-home item for hackfest attendees.
  476. Jun 02 13:36:10 <CRogers> Did people like it?
  477. Jun 02 13:36:19 <doctormon> Mc: Sorry, work / slash
  478. Jun 02 13:36:27 <Mc> CRogers: the logo is nice
  479. Jun 02 13:36:27 <doctormon> CRogers: I like it
  480. Jun 02 13:36:35 <CRogers> Cool.
  481. Jun 02 13:36:40 <doctormon> bryce_: Spreadshirt, it's on hold, no changes.
  482. Jun 02 13:36:53 <Mc> doctormon: np. We just came back to the merchandise topic
  483. Jun 02 13:37:01 <CRogers> It's lacking colour because it's just for engraving.
  484. Jun 02 13:37:12 <CRogers> I could colour it for stickers or other swag.
  485. Jun 02 13:37:13 <bryce_> doctormon, what can we do to unblock progress?
  486. Jun 02 13:37:16 <tedg> CRogers: I like it :-)
  487. Jun 02 13:37:23 <CRogers> thanks. :)
  488. Jun 02 13:37:27 <doctormon> bryce_: We can go with what we have, just run with it.
  489. Jun 02 13:38:09 <CRogers> Does someone want to speak a number at me for how many stickers we might want to hand out at the hackfest?
  490. Jun 02 13:38:40 <CRogers> We had no visitors at the Leeds hackfest.
  491. Jun 02 13:38:52 <doctormon> CRogers: 20 for each attendee.
  492. Jun 02 13:39:06 <CRogers> So like 200 okay probably.
  493. Jun 02 13:39:08 <doctormon> CRogers: I don't think it's going to be a matter of handing them over to users there and then.
  494. Jun 02 13:39:18 <CRogers> Ah.
  495. Jun 02 13:39:31 <CRogers> Okay, so just general inkscape awareness swag.
  496. Jun 02 13:39:41 <Mc> 21:18 < Mc> should we encourage people who can and want to help to come to the hackfest ?
  497. Jun 02 13:39:49 <CRogers> Take home to hand out where it's most useful over the next year?
  498. Jun 02 13:40:40 <Mc> (as opposite to saying "it's an event mostly for current devs")
  499. Jun 02 13:41:56 <jabiertxof_> We can offer something to them in $?
  500. Jun 02 13:42:08 <jabiertxof_> or full payed by them?
  501. Jun 02 13:42:16 <Mc> them ?
  502. Jun 02 13:42:26 <jabiertxof_> new devs
  503. Jun 02 13:42:36 <Mc> stickers
  504. Jun 02 13:42:37 <jabiertxof_> self payment
  505. Jun 02 13:42:40 <bryce_> doctormon, that would be fine with me - what would the next step be? Re-ping Mihaela?
  506. Jun 02 13:42:41 <jabiertxof_> :)
  507. Jun 02 13:43:21 <doctormon> bryce_: Ping with a deadline I think,
  508. Jun 02 13:44:15 <jabiertxof_> CRogers want me print partialy some stikers?
  509. Jun 02 13:44:28 <jabiertxof_> for new devs :)
  510. Jun 02 13:44:37 <bryce_> also, if anyone feels gung ho to look at setting up other merchandising options, whether it be bulk purchased t-shirts, mugs, or whatever, and you have time to work on getting it set up and running, I can help you get started. I think we're game for pretty much anything, the limiting factor is just having someone to take a lead in getting it done.
  511. Jun 02 13:44:41 <CRogers> jabiertxof_: can your company do glossy? We want them to look professional, I assume.
  512. Jun 02 13:45:15 <CRogers> If not, we'll go with one of my printing supploers.
  513. Jun 02 13:45:17 <jabiertxof_> I dont do myself. I coud get anything
  514. Jun 02 13:45:18 <CRogers> suppliers
  515. Jun 02 13:45:25 <bryce_> doctormon, ok that would work. Do you want to email Mihaela and CC me, or shall I?
  516. Jun 02 13:46:03 <jabiertxof_> i could do mate, brillant and with matte gloss or brillant gloss
  517. Jun 02 13:46:10 <CRogers> jabiertxof_: maybe get some pricing for 200 and see what you can get.
  518. Jun 02 13:46:18 <jabiertxof_> also I can try to cut myself
  519. Jun 02 13:46:22 <CRogers> nooooo
  520. Jun 02 13:46:31 <CRogers> We are not cutting stickers.
  521. Jun 02 13:46:47 <jabiertxof_> box based?
  522. Jun 02 13:47:05 <jabiertxof_> or rectangle
  523. Jun 02 13:47:09 <CRogers> Don't know. I'll have a look at Drmo's sticker files and see what's best.
  524. Jun 02 13:47:27 <CRogers> We can make them whatever shape.
  525. Jun 02 13:47:28 <jabiertxof_> one is a circle
  526. Jun 02 13:47:42 <CRogers> Yea, I think circle stickers are the most attractive.
  527. Jun 02 13:48:02 <jabiertxof_> I never do a cut on stikers
  528. Jun 02 13:48:23 <CRogers> jabiertxof_: it's a waste of time, and hand cut always looks horrible.
  529. Jun 02 13:48:26 <jabiertxof_> not know if my usual supplier do
  530. Jun 02 13:48:50 <jabiertxof_> i couls ask. ping you with the amount to decide
  531. Jun 02 13:49:00 <CRogers> jabiertxof_: thinking of your time going to cutting stickers makes me a little suicidal. :)
  532. Jun 02 13:49:14 <jabiertxof_> let me tell sices ,shapes, etc to better compare
  533. Jun 02 13:49:18 <Mc> the goal of my question ("overtly open" or not) is : in a case we should do flyers and/or posters and I would distribute posters in a few places that I know
  534. Jun 02 13:49:21 <CRogers> We need you in the code, making Inkscape better.
  535. Jun 02 13:49:29 <Mc> and in another case, not
  536. Jun 02 13:49:39 <ryangorley> I've had good luck with: https://www.uprinting.com/vinyl-sticker-printing.html
  537. Jun 02 13:50:37 <Mc> (=> do we want to advertize the hackfest in opensource-aware places in Paris ?)
  538. Jun 02 13:50:49 <CRogers> It's a bit late to be making documents/fliers for the hackfest.
  539. Jun 02 13:50:57 <Mc> nah
  540. Jun 02 13:51:08 <CRogers> Also, it may be a big distraction with a bunch of new people showing up.
  541. Jun 02 13:51:33 <CRogers> This isn't a community outreach session.
  542. Jun 02 13:51:36 <jabiertxof_> maybe we can do a open doror day
  543. Jun 02 13:51:39 <jabiertxof_> door
  544. Jun 02 13:51:50 <jabiertxof_> doors
  545. Jun 02 13:52:04 <jabiertxof_> with beer!!!!!
  546. Jun 02 13:52:09 <CRogers> oh hell no.
  547. Jun 02 13:52:19 <Mc> doctormon: bryce_: tedg: ?
  548. Jun 02 13:52:32 <CRogers> hahaha
  549. Jun 02 13:52:48 <jabiertxof_> :)
  550. Jun 02 13:53:05 <CRogers> jabiertxof_: would be fun, but people will just show up for the beer.
  551. Jun 02 13:53:22 <CRogers> And it's not like we can afford to be buying beer for everyone.
  552. Jun 02 13:53:24 <jabiertxof_> double prize for them :)
  553. Jun 02 13:53:53 <jabiertxof_> beer is a joke but I think is good an open door day
  554. Jun 02 13:53:58 <bryce_> Mc, as I won't be attending I'll withhold input on that, although if I were I'd agree with CRogers
  555. Jun 02 13:54:20 <tedg> So I think that getting everyone in Paris to show up isn't probably useful, but we should look to see if Inkscape-enthusiasts would be interested.
  556. Jun 02 13:54:28 <CRogers> I think we should plan community ourreach for another time.
  557. Jun 02 13:54:31 <bryce_> and I like jabiertxof_'s idea of specifying one of the days for visitors, so the other days you know can be focused
  558. Jun 02 13:54:35 <tedg> I'm not sure if there is an inkscape-fr list or something like that.
  559. Jun 02 13:55:02 <bryce_> a community outreach activity for another time does seem more sensible
  560. Jun 02 13:55:06 <CRogers> If you invite a bunch of users, you will get lots of hands in the pot all of a sudden.
  561. Jun 02 13:55:24 <CRogers> You will be distracted, and nothing will get done. :)
  562. Jun 02 13:55:30 <CRogers> Just sayin. :)
  563. Jun 02 13:55:35 <Mc> k
  564. Jun 02 13:55:48 <CRogers> Because I'm one of them, and it takes everything I have not to bother people during the hackfest. ;)
  565. Jun 02 13:56:05 <Mc> haha
  566. Jun 02 13:56:34 <Mc> did we cover all topics ?
  567. Jun 02 13:56:48 <bryce_> just one last topic - GSoC
  568. Jun 02 13:56:55 <bryce_> although like was said it's just gotten started
  569. Jun 02 13:57:01 <Mc> gsoc started this week, yes
  570. Jun 02 13:57:02 <bryce_> === GSoC ===
  571. Jun 02 13:57:14 <Mc> first evaluation is in a month
  572. Jun 02 13:57:18 <bryce_> mainly just wanted to check in and see if there were any issues the board might need to track
  573. Jun 02 13:57:30 <Mc> not that I know
  574. Jun 02 13:57:33 <bryce_> e.g. are all mentors and students hooked up and chatting?
  575. Jun 02 13:58:09 <Mc> I don't know when google's money will arrive, there will be an additional 500$ this year that's aimed at allowing students to go to projects meetings
  576. Jun 02 13:58:22 <doctormon> Sorry about me being in and out.
  577. Jun 02 13:58:24 <bryce_> oh yeah Tavmjong asked me about that
  578. Jun 02 13:58:51 <Mc> unfortunately Alexandru said he could not come to paris
  579. Jun 02 13:58:57 <bryce_> the open question is if the board needs to be involved in deciding/authorizing how that $500 is allocated
  580. Jun 02 13:59:34 <Mc> I thought all money stuff had to go through the board ^^
  581. Jun 02 13:59:54 <bryce_> I don't really have any strong opinions there myself, but happy to wrangle votes if needed. Hopefully someone else that has an itch can push for whatever voting needs done
  582. Jun 02 14:00:07 <bryce_> Mc, yeah pretty much if Conservancy is going to expense it then we need to vote on it
  583. Jun 02 14:00:28 <Mc> I think Tav will follow up on any problems with that
  584. Jun 02 14:00:30 <tedg> I think we can do a vote quickly if needed.
  585. Jun 02 14:00:38 <tedg> Twist some arms.
  586. Jun 02 14:01:14 <doctormon> Agreed
  587. Jun 02 14:01:17 <bryce_> tedg, I'm not sure that it's a matter of a general "ok spend money" vote, I'm guessing there needs to be some sort of plan, perhaps with names and numbers attached
  588. Jun 02 14:01:42 <tedg> Sure, but I'm more saying that it makes sense to have a board vote.
  589. Jun 02 14:02:03 <tedg> And that it won't be a problem to have one.
  590. Jun 02 14:02:24 <bryce_> okie. Well, if anyone can get the information put together for who needs money spent on what, I'll be happy to send out a referendum
  591. Jun 02 14:02:48 <bryce_> ok, anything else on GSoC?
  592. Jun 02 14:03:04 <bryce_> oh, I forgot, I had one last topic (actually should have brought it up while Tav was around)
  593. Jun 02 14:03:06 <Mc> not on this year's
  594. Jun 02 14:03:15 <Mc> and it's a bit early for next year's
  595. Jun 02 14:03:40 <bryce_> "If there's time, I'd also like to host discussion about how we're doing
  596. Jun 02 14:03:40 <bryce_> as a board in general and if there are adjustments that could be made to
  597. Jun 02 14:03:40 <bryce_> enable us to better serve the Inkscape project's needs. If you have
  598. Jun 02 14:03:40 <bryce_> tangible ideas or constructive criticism, I'd like to gather it."
  599. Jun 02 14:03:49 <bryce_> == How's the Board Doing ==
  600. Jun 02 14:04:16 <Mc> what are board's objectives ? ^^
  601. Jun 02 14:04:22 <tedg> Uhg, wrong key. Sorry folks.
  602. Jun 02 14:04:34 <bryce_> so I'm just looking for general input and feedback on if there's areas we've not been putting enough attention into, or ideas for things we should be working on (or should work on less) going forward
  603. Jun 02 14:04:51 <Rob-Sterbal> um, broken record here.
  604. Jun 02 14:05:26 <doctormon> It'd be good to get a quicker turnaround for votes.
  605. Jun 02 14:05:39 <bryce_> yeah
  606. Jun 02 14:06:10 <bryce_> also I've noticed lately a lot of our votes have been having trouble just getting up to quorum
  607. Jun 02 14:06:38 <doctormon> Tav asked me to send a twitter message to Jon
  608. Jun 02 14:06:52 <bryce_> doctormon, oh? heard back?
  609. Jun 02 14:07:00 <Mc> Jon is on twitter ?
  610. Jun 02 14:07:01 <doctormon> Not yet, only been up for a few hours
  611. Jun 02 14:07:29 <CRogers> so looks like 200 38mm round stickers will cost about 40 pounds. (up to 9 different designs)
  612. Jun 02 14:08:15 <CRogers> That's well under the hundred dollars i think.
  613. Jun 02 14:08:24 <tedg> bryce_: Perhaps we should put a timeline on the votes? Like make the actually expire
  614. Jun 02 14:08:28 <jabiertxof_> and shape based is posible doctormon send some shaped
  615. Jun 02 14:08:42 <doctormon> jabiertxof_: I sent them shaped, two iregular and one circle.
  616. Jun 02 14:08:49 <tedg> I don't think we should have doctormon shaped stickers ;-)
  617. Jun 02 14:08:52 <CRogers> They don't ll have to be circles.
  618. Jun 02 14:08:56 <bryce_> tedg, technically we do have a timeline - it was added in the last update of our bylaws
  619. Jun 02 14:08:58 <CRogers> We can have a mix.
  620. Jun 02 14:09:15 <CRogers> it's the smae price for rectangular ones.
  621. Jun 02 14:09:16 <jabiertxof_> great!
  622. Jun 02 14:09:34 <CRogers> The rectangular ones have nice rounded corners too.
  623. Jun 02 14:09:35 <bryce_> tedg, I'd have to re-look at it but it's something like if you miss N votes
  624. Jun 02 14:09:40 <tedg> bryce_: On votes? Perhaps I forgot that then. Put it at the top "EXPIRES 3/4/12" ?
  625. Jun 02 14:09:57 <tedg> bryce_: Yes, I was meaning per-vote. Like it is live for a week.
  626. Jun 02 14:10:05 <bryce_> tedg, I think it's something like 2 weeks, but I'd hav eto check
  627. Jun 02 14:10:24 <bryce_> unfortunately like doctormon says often we wan tthe turnaround on a vote to be much less than that, like a few days
  628. Jun 02 14:10:49 <bryce_> I try not to hurry at closing them out, so folks have time to cast votes, but there's usually some urgency to get a decision pinned down
  629. Jun 02 14:10:59 <tedg> I'd be happy for it to be at your discretion, no less than 24-hours or soemthing like that.
  630. Jun 02 14:11:06 <CRogers> Oh, someone suggested that people could attend the hackfest virtually.
  631. Jun 02 14:11:23 <Mc> livestream ?
  632. Jun 02 14:11:26 <bryce_> CRogers, I'd like that
  633. Jun 02 14:11:28 <CRogers> I want to make sure those people get some inkscape swag to say they participated.
  634. Jun 02 14:11:48 <CRogers> So I need a list of people who will be doing that. :)
  635. Jun 02 14:12:16 <CRogers> bryce_: Cool. And yea, we could do a livestream if that's desired.
  636. Jun 02 14:12:18 <bryce_> CRogers, could collect that info at the event no?
  637. Jun 02 14:12:37 <CRogers> bryce_: yea, actually, maybe that's better.
  638. Jun 02 14:12:56 <bryce_> CRogers, if someone writes up how to do the livestream I'd be game to give it a try
  639. Jun 02 14:13:20 <CRogers> bryce_: I was thinking just a laptop with googlehangouts on it or something.
  640. Jun 02 14:13:23 <jabiertxof_> I have a setup server for livestreeam
  641. Jun 02 14:13:40 <jabiertxof_> and a HTML5 player coded
  642. Jun 02 14:13:43 <Mc> I know how to stream to youtube or twitch
  643. Jun 02 14:13:44 <CRogers> it's gotta be something we all can use.
  644. Jun 02 14:13:47 <jabiertxof_> we can use
  645. Jun 02 14:13:53 <CRogers> or at least those intereted.
  646. Jun 02 14:14:11 <jabiertxof_> we want bidirectional?
  647. Jun 02 14:14:12 <CRogers> google hangouts is probably best, because everyone can use their own laptop cameras.
  648. Jun 02 14:14:13 <Mc> (with OBS, an open source soft)
  649. Jun 02 14:14:18 <Mc> yep
  650. Jun 02 14:14:25 <jabiertxof_> forget me
  651. Jun 02 14:14:37 <CRogers> obs is awesome, but too much setup I think.
  652. Jun 02 14:14:37 <bryce_> tedg, ok next vote I'll try and remember to put due dates on it. Maybe I should do two dates - earliest tally and last tally.
  653. Jun 02 14:14:42 <jabiertxof_> we have one directopn only
  654. Jun 02 14:15:25 <bryce_> tedg, do you think it would actually help in getting votes in?
  655. Jun 02 14:15:26 <CRogers> Actually, I'll just take my android tablet, and we can set up a hangouts with that pointed at the room.
  656. Jun 02 14:15:36 <tedg> bryce_: Yeah, I'm not sure it will help, but perhaps drive some urgency.
  657. Jun 02 14:15:39 <CRogers> Then other people who want to can connect with their laptops.
  658. Jun 02 14:15:43 <CRogers> or phones. :)
  659. Jun 02 14:15:44 <doctormon> jabiertxof_: Want to contribute the livestream code for the website? I think we can code it into the resources page.
  660. Jun 02 14:15:46 <CRogers> or whatever.
  661. Jun 02 14:15:47 <bryce_> I'd hate complicating the process on my end if it wouldn't improve things
  662. Jun 02 14:15:54 <doctormon> But also other static page sis ok too.
  663. Jun 02 14:16:26 <CRogers> I don't want the last minute livestream idea to isuck up people's development time.
  664. Jun 02 14:16:28 <bryce_> tedg, worth experimenting for one or two votes in any case
  665. Jun 02 14:16:34 <jabiertxof_> sure doctormon
  666. Jun 02 14:16:35 <tedg> bryce_: I think, let's try and see if it gets better.... yeah.
  667. Jun 02 14:16:53 <tedg> bryce_: The next step I think is finding a service that nags for us :-)
  668. Jun 02 14:16:54 <CRogers> so I'm tempted to try to set up a hangouts instead.
  669. Jun 02 14:17:05 <tedg> "I'm not annoying, it's the voting service that is" :-)
  670. Jun 02 14:17:12 <bryce_> tedg, yeah I'd love to see some of our board work automated
  671. Jun 02 14:17:15 <CRogers> and if it doesn't work, we are all on irc anyway.
  672. Jun 02 14:17:33 <Mc> not all the board :p
  673. Jun 02 14:18:02 <Rob-Sterbal> where is the link to the board memnbers?
  674. Jun 02 14:18:26 <bryce_> even just a bot to upload the board meeting irc log to the website would be a major annoyance savings to me :-)
  675. Jun 02 14:18:40 <bryce_> Rob-Sterbal, on the website under Governance
  676. Jun 02 14:18:47 <Mc> https://inkscape.org/en/*board/
  677. Jun 02 14:19:02 <Rob-Sterbal> I can helop upload logs
  678. Jun 02 14:19:14 <jabiertxof_> doctormon: ping me next weekend to recall the last HTML5 player i code/forked
  679. Jun 02 14:19:15 <Rob-Sterbal> why don't we use botbot?
  680. Jun 02 14:19:52 <bryce_> Rob-Sterbal, just lack of someone with time/patience to set it up I think
  681. Jun 02 14:20:35 <Rob-Sterbal> use: https://botbot.me/freenode/inkspace-devel/
  682. Jun 02 14:20:47 <bryce_> Rob-Sterbal, although honestly if I just had an API for putting files into the website CMS that I could use from the website that'd probably do it
  683. Jun 02 14:20:47 <Rob-Sterbal> should I set up the other channels as well?
  684. Jun 02 14:21:11 <Rob-Sterbal> some things are low priority to automate
  685. Jun 02 14:21:17 <bryce_> Rob-Sterbal, that's 404'd. But what we need is NOT general logging of the channel
  686. Jun 02 14:21:30 <bryce_> we just need the snipped log from the start to the end of the meeting
  687. Jun 02 14:21:53 <Rob-Sterbal> mIRC does that well
  688. Jun 02 14:22:08 <Rob-Sterbal> https://botbot.me/request/
  689. Jun 02 14:22:38 <Rob-Sterbal> the request should come from a channel op
  690. Jun 02 14:23:11 <Rob-Sterbal> I am an operator (op) for this channel and agree to the terms of service. I will follow any server guidelines for logging, eg. Freenode requires a link to the logs in the channel topic.
  691. Jun 02 14:23:16 <bryce_> Rob-Sterbal, no that's not what we're in need of
  692. Jun 02 14:23:30 <Rob-Sterbal> it solves the problem
  693. Jun 02 14:23:40 <Mc> no
  694. Jun 02 14:23:43 <bryce_> "log the channel" is not the problem
  695. Jun 02 14:24:01 <Rob-Sterbal> what is the problem?
  696. Jun 02 14:24:18 <bryce_> log the meeting and upload the log to the Django website
  697. Jun 02 14:24:20 <Mc> uploading the board meeting minutes
  698. Jun 02 14:24:36 <Rob-Sterbal> just post a link to a public log isn't enough?
  699. Jun 02 14:24:36 <Mc> from 21h to 0h, every first friday of the month
  700. Jun 02 14:24:45 <Mc> we don't want a public log
  701. Jun 02 14:24:49 <bryce_> doctormon already set up channel logging, that's actually pretty straightforward. but that's not wanted.
  702. Jun 02 14:24:51 <Rob-Sterbal> ugh
  703. Jun 02 14:24:56 <Rob-Sterbal> good luck with that
  704. Jun 02 14:25:28 <doctormon> bryce_: The logging functionality is set up so it can be switched on by the admin for the channel.
  705. Jun 02 14:25:32 <Rob-Sterbal> email is a perfectly good way to have a private conversation
  706. Jun 02 14:25:56 <Mc> would have taken 10 weeks to discuss everything that was discussed tonight
  707. Jun 02 14:26:00 <Mc> by email
  708. Jun 02 14:26:02 <bryce_> ok, any other business?
  709. Jun 02 14:26:03 <doctormon> bryce_: So after a few bug fixes, we can choose to have it, or not, at certain times. Policy should dictate the advertising of logging and etc.
  710. Jun 02 14:26:08 <bryce_> == Other Business ==
  711. Jun 02 14:26:09 <Rob-Sterbal> PRIVATE
  712. Jun 02 14:26:12 <Rob-Sterbal> not public
  713. Jun 02 14:26:30 <Rob-Sterbal> chat is a great way to do things out in public
  714. Jun 02 14:26:37 <Mc> ...
  715. Jun 02 14:26:38 <tedg> Nope, thanks bryce_
  716. Jun 02 14:26:51 <doctormon> thanks bryce_ and Tav for this
  717. Jun 02 14:26:54 <Rob-Sterbal> Who are the contacts for social media?
  718. Jun 02 14:27:03 <tedg> I've already screwed up sending a mail to the mailing list :-P
  719. Jun 02 14:27:31 <bryce_> thanks all!
  720. Jun 02 14:27:35 <bryce_> == End of Meeting ==
  721. Jun 02 14:27:48 <Mc> good night (or god afternoon to the us folks)
  722. Jun 02 14:27:50 <Mc> good*
  723. Jun 02 14:28:02 <ryangorley> Sorry for chiming in, not sure what the rules are
  724. Jun 02 14:28:12 <su_v> Mc: just a question - for the stable branch (0.92.x), autotools are still supported (and btools) too
  725. Jun 02 14:28:23 <Mc> yes ?
  726. Jun 02 14:28:34 <su_v> Mc: is the plan to cut those off for the stable release branch with the migration to git?
  727. Jun 02 14:28:37 <Mc> omg i have no idea how we will support that after the git migration
  728. Jun 02 14:28:58 <Mc> maybe someone knowing how those work can fix them
  729. Jun 02 14:29:14 <su_v> it will break the legacy mac packaging scripts (which rely on autotools builds), and probably require some other packagers out there (linux distros) to adjust
  730. Jun 02 14:29:43 <Mc> my personal opinion would be to drop them for .92.2 but that's not what was announced
  731. Jun 02 14:29:45 <su_v> IIRC many did not switch yet just because it was possible (if the old build system still works ...)
  732. Jun 02 14:30:17 <Mc> yeah, i would have done the same in the place of any maintainer
  733. Jun 02 14:30:27 <su_v> it should be announced in the release notes, and elsewhere best ahead of a release.
  734. Jun 02 14:30:32 <doctormon> Rob-Sterbal: Did you see the google docs page I linked?
  735. Jun 02 14:32:15 <Mc> we should create an inkscape-maintainers ml to push announces to maintainers of distros
  736. Jun 02 14:32:17 <Rob-Sterbal> it is marked private, I requested access
  737. Jun 02 14:33:06 <jabiertxof_> About hackfest: Live-Stream or Hangouts? I could help a lot with the first one
  738. Jun 02 14:33:52 <ryangorley> Good to see you doctormon, to the rest of you I don't know cheers. Have a great time at the hackfest.
  739. Jun 02 14:34:23 <Mc> ryangorley: what "rules" ?
  740. Jun 02 14:34:34 <jabiertxof_> I need a OBS producer fotr it or autmate it by keyboard, usualy showing IRC and when we press a key get the computer camera
  741. Jun 02 14:34:59 <jabiertxof_> thanks ryangorley
  742. Jun 02 14:35:39 <bryce_> su_v, I don't think there's been any particular decision to ditch autotools support on the 0.92.x branch for future releases. Obviously it'd require the branch's tooling and such be updated to e.g. insert git hashes instead of bzr commit no's but presumably someone will be willing to tackle that, I don't think it should be hard.
  743. Jun 02 14:35:46 <ryangorley> Mc: Not sure what the standard of conduct us for a board meeting is all.
  744. Jun 02 14:35:56 <doctormon> ryangorley: Thanks! good to see you
  745. Jun 02 14:36:15 <doctormon> Rob-Sterbal: No, different doc, the one that lists the project resources isn't private
  746. Jun 02 14:36:28 <doctormon> Rob-Sterbal: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kilt4tm1KDCNysd5oy5M5wJnCCS45fqa7VIoEyBl090/edit#gid=0
  747. Jun 02 14:36:29 <ryangorley> doctormon: I'm still engaged with the marketing stuff, just distracted by work
  748. Jun 02 14:36:29 <Mc> try to stay on topic, give your opinion on a topic if you want, let board members talk when there is a vote or decision
  749. Jun 02 14:36:34 <Rob-Sterbal> I'm going to need some time to digest this stuff
  750. Jun 02 14:36:49 <ryangorley> Mc: Cool.
  751. Jun 02 14:36:56 <Rob-Sterbal> I'm a social media focused person
  752. Jun 02 14:36:59 <doctormon> ryangorley: No worries, we all do what we can.
  753. Jun 02 14:37:04 <Rob-Sterbal> particularly facebook groups
  754. Jun 02 14:37:27 <ryangorley> Speaking of work, I'm running out of daylight and have some clients waiting on stuff. Laters!
  755. Jun 02 14:37:38 <jabiertxof_> bye!
  756. Jun 02 14:37:50 <CRogers> Yea, I gotta get some sleep too. Thanks everyone!
  757. Jun 02 14:37:59 <Mc> I answer users on twitter, but have no fondness for fb
  758. Jun 02 14:38:03 <jabiertxof_> Bye!
  759. Jun 02 14:38:12 <Rob-Sterbal> facebook has a lot more people on it
  760. Jun 02 14:38:23 <CRogers> I can handle facebook if folks want.
  761. Jun 02 14:38:24 <Rob-Sterbal> if nothing else, it should host good summary links
  762. Jun 02 14:38:35 <CRogers> I already handle it for my work, and personal accounts.
  763. Jun 02 14:38:40 <Rob-Sterbal> CRogers, please email me at robert@sterbal.com
  764. Jun 02 14:38:49 <Rob-Sterbal> I gotta run
  765. Jun 02 14:39:06 <CRogers> willdo
  766. Jun 02 14:39:17 <Mc> gotta go too, bye :p
  767. Jun 02 14:39:27 <jabiertxof_> bye!
  768. Jun 02 14:40:08 <CRogers> Rob-Sterbal: done.
  769. Jun 02 14:40:28 <jabiertxof_> Is board meet ended?
  770. Jun 02 14:40:31 * CRogers joins the stampede out the door.
  771. Jun 02 14:40:36 <CRogers> ;)
  772. Jun 02 14:41:48 <bryce_> jabiertxof_, yep
  773. Jun 02 14:42:08 <jabiertxof_> Thanks bryce_
  774. Jun 02 14:42:32 <jabiertxof_> doctormon: want to speack about live streaming here?
  775. Jun 02 14:42:41 <jabiertxof_> or next week
  776. Jun 02 14:42:48 <doctormon> jabiertxof_: Sure,
  777. Jun 02 14:43:29 <jabiertxof_> Ok first of all I think we can forget iteraction and speack throught IRC
  778. Jun 02 14:43:44 <jabiertxof_> instead google hangouts
  779. Jun 02 14:44:03 <jabiertxof_> I think google hangouts has a limited rooms
  780. Jun 02 14:44:31 <jabiertxof_> Hi Moini!
  781. Jun 02 14:45:09 <Moini> Hi Jabier :)
  782. Jun 02 14:45:19 <jabiertxof_> Im if favor to makke a OBS based live stream
  783. Jun 02 14:45:39 <jabiertxof_> and show it througt IFRAME into inkscape devel
  784. Jun 02 14:45:55 <jabiertxof_> inkscape devel/inkscape webbsite
  785. Jun 02 14:46:23 <jabiertxof_> I could put the server in a cloud based enviroment
  786. Jun 02 14:46:56 <jabiertxof_> If not need to grow it it has no cost to inkscape
  787. Jun 02 14:47:16 <jabiertxof_> Im paying it and not using at this time
  788. Jun 02 14:47:39 <doctormon> jabiertxof_: I wonder about using jitsi, but I trust what people say for livestreaming
  789. Jun 02 14:48:00 <doctormon> It seems like you know what you are doing.
  790. Jun 02 14:48:15 <doctormon> jabiertxof_: Already we can embed youtube videos into inkscape resource page.
  791. Jun 02 14:48:37 <doctormon> jabiertxof_: And with youtube livestreaming option, we could do this via hangout or jitsi at our option.
  792. Jun 02 14:48:37 <jabiertxof_> i see it :)
  793. Jun 02 14:48:47 <doctormon> So many private server not needed?
  794. Jun 02 14:48:55 <jabiertxof_> ok
  795. Jun 02 14:50:02 <jabiertxof_> in this case we only need to focus on how to compose the signal to send ¿No?
  796. Jun 02 14:51:25 <jabiertxof_> we need something diferent than a LANDscape of few pretty guys working on computers?
  797. Jun 02 14:52:59 <jabiertxof_> we can get: video from portatile PC camera, global audio, portatile audio, Video source from IRC, we can do interview to artist outside hackfest and add it as source in live mode
  798. Jun 02 14:53:13 <jabiertxof_> sure there is more things to add
  799. Jun 02 14:56:28 <jabiertxof_> Mayve we can add a video in fast view with stops in some portions with all hackfest
  800. Jun 02 14:56:40 <jabiertxof_> this last at the end of it
  801. Jun 02 14:59:25 <doctormon> jabiertxof_: This sounds exciting now. with interviews :-D brilliant idea.
  802. Jun 02 15:01:07 <jabiertxof_> I have a blackmagic card we can use for livestream
  803. Jun 02 15:01:19 <jabiertxof_> joined with OBS
  804. Jun 02 15:01:55 <jabiertxof_> not sure houw much SDI inputs has jet
  805. Jun 02 15:02:45 <jabiertxof_> but I think we can do all with one global camera and the PC inputs
  806. Jun 02 15:04:26 <jabiertxof_> I could investigate for a WIFI signal emmiter to remote control OBS, and have one for each one or for each table
  807. Jun 02 15:04:49 <jabiertxof_> or maybe a SSH command is enoght
  808. Jun 02 15:06:02 <jabiertxof_> we need not forger put donation link in the live stream
  809. Jun 02 15:07:45 <jabiertxof_> We also can do a post hackfest countdown donation.
  810. Jun 02 15:08:36 <jabiertxof_> For this we can create a video of the Hackfest, CR sure could help and ask to let the budget to 0
  811. Jun 02 15:09:03 <jabiertxof_> Also with a list of the works done
  812. Jun 02 15:11:08 <jabiertxof_> now need to go. contact later doctormon
  813. Jun 02 15:11:23 <jabiertxof_> good night all!
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