Now that the official forum is...well, official, I submit that Inkscape.org's FB pages direct visitors to this site for contests, news, etc. 

I won't use or visit a corporate-criminal like FB for social activities, and I strongly suggest Inkscape.org direct traffic away from FB, not toward it. 

Have a nice day.

TD

Thank you! I ditched facebook over a month ago. lol

I actually fully agree. I'm very not happy with the idea that facebook is being promoted, but I also understand that there is a sizable community there. So like you say, we could do with some policy on how to run things like news, competitions and other items so that users are redirected.

But all discussions should include the people who are running the facebook group and the team that makes these kinds of calls is the Vetors team. They use the chat.inkscape.org service a lot, in the vector team chat room.

I totally agree with you about fb.  I've never had an account there, and never will. I would love to see the project boycott all parts of social media that are corporate owned.  But I'm afraid that would cut off a huge Inkscape user base.  Unfortunately (in my humble opinion) that Inkscape fb group is very popular - and large.  (It would be so hard as to be effectively impossible to measure, but I suspect equal in size to both forums together.)

As far as I understand, any kind of official contest or competition would be run from the inkscape.org gallery; because the website has a whole voting interface, both for images and team or board elections.

Did you see something that makes you think Inkscape's fb group is claiming to the official source of....things (announcments, contest, etc.)?  Or just wanted to bring up the subject?

Afaik, there is only one fb Inkscape group that's officially recognized by the project (although there are probably at least a few Inkscpe fb groups).

The portion of the user base that is active on FB would not be cut off, they would see an announcement on FB and be directed to Inkscape.org for more info and official activity (contest/survey/etc.). The users of Inkscape who are not on FB are the ones being cut off from participating in official Inkscape.org activities taking place on FB. 

I imagine the entire user base of Inkscape is a bit larger than the subset that are also FB users.

I saw on the Inkscape.org homepage, the announcement of the winning design for "Inkscape 2019 cover art" (I presume that is an Inkscape version release). IMO, that official contest activity ( entries, comments, voting, etc.) should take place within Inkscape.org and its fora, not on a commercial site mining Inkscape users and for advertising and data harvesting.

I am not suggesting Inkscape.org boycott FB (or similar), but use FB et.al. to direct activity to Inkscape.org (not the other direction). 

Have a nice day.

TD

The only note about that contest was that it was a cover art for the facebook group itself, not for anything outside. The news doesn't make that clear.

Just about a day ago I showed myself the way out of the fb group. 

Didn't wait escorting me out. Was warned and suggested to leave because of not sugarcoating -which is apparently against the rules. 

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Facebook is counterproductive. Most people share unprocessed garbage works as newbies and there is no quality control whatsoever.

Similar mentality happened at openclipart (when it still existed...).

"Don't be judgemental on quality, all is equally wonderful" -except for when you put in weeks of work against someone's ten minute doodling and you are on the same track of hunting people's likes.

Why would you need to hunt for likes? You know you're good, and everyone with eyes in their head can see it. I think constructive feedback is well received.

In my opinion, hunting for likes is the downfall of social media in general.  Any website using likes is bound to be frequented by people who post things for no other reason than to get likes.  Maybe they don't even want to improve their Inkscape skills?

I'm with Moini -- who cares about likes?  You know we love you!  And that's better than likes  😀

Regarding the quality control comment on the fb group, and I say this without knowing exactly how fb works, or even how it looks.  It would seem to merit some consideration, if displaying half-hearted drawing attempts, which are meant for not other purpose than to collect likes, results in a negative impression of Inkscape.  Shouldn't the group be showing the best of what Inkscape can do? 

Well....coming full circle, maybe that's the purpose of this cover page?

As Martin O. notes, the article did not make it clear that the contest was not an official project event. If Inkscape enthusiasts on FB want to have art contests for whatever reason, more power to them. 

<idea> An official Inkscape.org annual calendar-art contest: Submit art by end of September, vote during October, print in November. Profits go to the Inkscape project. </idea>

As for peer-review and criticism, it's not always easy to find moderators who understand the distiction between fair criticism, harsh criticism, and personal differences. 

The main thrust of my original post remains: the project should have an official FB presence, but only to announce news/activities at inkscape.org. 

Have a nice day.

TD

I think people are just being encouraged to continue learning and exploring, and to have fun.

@TylerDurden Would you like to organize such a contest?

I'd gladly be on the organizing committee... I'll PM you.

brynn

Unfortunately (in my humble opinion) that Inkscape fb group is very popular - and large.

No need to learn a new forum UI (if you're already a Facebook user) and having to find some place to "host" your uploaded images is a real craic killer. Those two things alone will keep the FB group going strong so long as Inkscape itself is a popular program.

ronburk

and having to find some place to "host" your uploaded images is a real craic killer.

I'm not sure what you mean by that "host your uploaded images".  You can attach images directly to your message in this forum, if you want to.

I'm not suggesting fb users should go somewhere else.  I was just giving my personal opinion of fb.

In the FIRST line of the news article, it clearly states;
"Inkscape Cover Art Contest on Facebook! ".
https://inkscape.org/news/2019/06/23/q-2019-inkscape-cover-art-winner-sanda-krstulovic/

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The number one Rule of the Facebook group is;
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This sort of Thread, is not a good look, on any Forum!


 

Ugh... this thread!! 😨😫

I guess threads are to be expected when there are problems to discuss. 

Odd that this thread got pointlessly revived years after the original post. 

Gonna lock it now, thanks for the comments.